The Official D3 XC Thread 2012

Bix wrote:

Anybody notice the bix 7 results?

The amount that runners shot their wads at the Bix has nothing to do with how they'll finish at nationals.

not again'st him wrote:

Hey the NCAA says any performance enhancer that gives one person an advantage over another and isn't available to all athletes is illegal. In that case, high mileage should also be illegal because only a select few have access to it and it certainly provides a significant advantage over others.

You must be the biggest idiot if ever seen on here. How can you say only a select few have access to high mileage!?!?! It's RUNNING! GO RUN!

It is no one else's fault but your own that you get injured going over 50 miles a week. Learn how to advance yourself rather than making absurd claims like running high mileage isn't available to all athletes, because it certainly is you f***ing idiot.

crybaby wrote:

not again'st him wrote:

Hey the NCAA says any performance enhancer that gives one person an advantage over another and isn't available to all athletes is illegal. In that case, high mileage should also be illegal because only a select few have access to it and it certainly provides a significant advantage over others.

You must be the biggest idiot if ever seen on here. How can you say only a select few have access to high mileage!?!?! It's RUNNING! GO RUN!

It is no one else's fault but your own that you get injured going over 50 miles a week. Learn how to advance yourself rather than making absurd claims like running high mileage isn't available to all athletes, because it certainly is you f***ing idiot.

dude......it's called sarcasm

watch out for Nath Joel R of Emory. Lights out!

eagle scout wrote:

watch out for Nath Joel R of Emory. Lights out!

Can you please spell his whole name? Nath Joel R? R? What's R? And you're telling us a school in Georgia has a sub-15 guy? Is he a freshman newcomer? Why on earth would you come to a board and post such a vague description like this?

Calm down, the rankings are out now, Batman. Let's talk about that instead.

Any interesting really really early season race results or time trial stuff from the past week? I know many teams either just completed or just started their pre-season stuff. Also, for the sake of conversation again, why is Geneseo ranked so highly? Do they have some 5th years coming back?

TheShepard wrote:

Any interesting really really early season race results or time trial stuff from the past week? I know many teams either just completed or just started their pre-season stuff. Also, for the sake of conversation again, why is Geneseo ranked so highly? Do they have some 5th years coming back?

I'm interested to hear about this as well, but I dunno, I'd also probably be very skeptical about any lights out performance this early in the season. Not necessarily indicative of anything 3 months from now...

I heard Nathan Joel R and his sketchers ran a lights out time trial. Most hyped runner south of the Mason-Dixon line!

A couple results from the weekend that might warrant some discussion. Geneseo looked pretty decent at Penn State, though their average finish time was slower than last years by a fair amount. 26:46 in 2011 to 27:09 in a faster race in 2012. That said, that average time puts them close to the average time of Dickinson last year who finished tenth at Nationals. Haverford ran this weekend too in a race they run every year, but the conditions were supposed to be pretty bad. Only thing that surprised me here was that Schilit was like their 3rd or 4th guy. Thats probably not a good sign. One would figure a 13:59 guy would be their top guy by a significant margin. Anything else from around D-3?

Central college had a good showing on a really tough course in really hot weather. # 2 runner is just a freshman and will improve significantly over the course of the season and of course Brent Ewing will challenge for a win at nationals so Central is definitely under ranked at this point.

Calvin at their home meet

Nick Kramer 24:23.3

Dan Kerr 24:28.4

Job Christiansen 24:57.5

Matt Vander Roest 25:12.7

David Vande Bunte 25:32.7

Rhett Morici 25:45.4

Sam Kerk 25:59.2

I assume this course is quite fast, but if its a full 8k averaging 24:55 for the top 5 would be damn good even if it were later in the season. You always have to wonder when a team is this fit early on how they're going to hold on through November though. Calvin hasn't had the best track record of finishing the season well recently.

Here's Haverford's top 7 at their alumni race. Pretty sure this is 3 miles.

Brian Sokas 14:49

Peter Kissin 14:58

Jordan Schillit 15:01

Christopher Stadler 15:06

Charlie Marquadt 15:06

Avi Bregman 15:14

Jeff Duncan 15:17

Not super impressive, but somebody said it was muddy maybe and I don't think Haverford tends to run particularly fast early on. When they won nationals two years ago they didn't look that good until much later in the season. It is a little weird that Schillit wasn't up front, but maybe he's been injured or something. There were three more guys right behind their 7th man, so they've definitely got some depth.

North Central raced, but their top guys sat out so I think we'll see where they are at next week.

I wouldn't read much into it. Here is the top 7 guys from the same meet the year Haverford won nationals, on a day with better conditions:

1 Schoch 14:50

2 Schilit 15:01

3 Hulleberg 15:02

4 Southwick 15:04

5 Arnold 15:10

6 Milic-Strkalj 15:13

7 Fuentes 15:13

[quote]TheShepard wrote:

A couple results from the weekend that might warrant some discussion. Geneseo looked pretty decent at Penn State, though their average finish time was slower than last years by a fair amount. 26:46 in 2011 to 27:09 in a faster race in 2012.

That said, Geneseo didn't have Berube or Novara throwing off that time. Their depth was much more impressive this year.

I wouldn't look into the Calvin times too much. The course is really fast. Most of their guys ran about 10 seconds faster there last year than they did later at nationals, which was on Oshkosh for God's sakes.

Dill Dickleson wrote:

I wouldn't look into the Calvin times too much. The course is really fast. Most of their guys ran about 10 seconds faster there last year than they did later at nationals, which was on Oshkosh for God's sakes.

well that's also a sign of their typical inability to save it for the end of the season... i mean the course is mostly fast but it has that idiotic hill that looks like a skateboarding half-pipe that they make you run over about 6 times

Even if Kramer wins nationals they can't be competitive for a title with a 70+ second spread.

Why is Wash U ranked in the top 3, Calvin should be up there and Geneseo along with the rest of the Atlantic need to take a back seat from the top 10, not happening.

North Central averages 24:53 at the Illinois intercollegiate invitational this past weekend. Fast, but its 5 seconds slower than last year.