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|40 Year Old Kenyan|
So the question was who has done better.
You converted others' times to say they have - which they haven't - and now say it's about what was done not could have done.
Is your hypocrisy so ingrained you really don't realize you are doing it?
Henry Rono's, performance when he set records in 5k and 3K Steeplechase on the same day, and broke them again the next day. He steeplechase record still stands and his 5K and 10K numbers have hardly been bettered by most athletes. May be most are too young or not well versed in History to remember. Cams performance were good but not exceptional, I mean there is a dude who doubled in 100M and 110M hurdles.
There is nothing hypocritical about making subjective assessments between 28:07/13:40 and 28:10/13:38 performances. Using a purely objective metric, even you can see that a 2 second difference in 5k times is more than 3 seconds in a 10k? Or can't you?
Shirley you jest?[/quote]
Not at all, Henry Rono Ran 8:05.4 in Steeplechase (Many Nations have no one within 10 Seconds of this) and 13:08.4 in 5K during the same championships, all still collegiate records, the steeplechase was a world record for 11 years.
Just last year Iona's Korir ran 28.07 followed by 13.35 while Chelanga ran 28.12 followed by 13.29.
They did this with a day's less of recovery between the races because of race delays. This was just last year. Some people have such short memories when a white guy runs fast...
Chelanga - 41.41
Korir - 41.42
Levins - 41.47
1 Leonard Korir SR Iona 28:07.63 10
2 Sam Chelanga SR Liberty 28:12.18 8
3 Stephen Sambu JR Arizona 28:19.61 6
4 Chris Derrick JR Stanford 28:26.65 5
5 Jake Riley SR Stanford 28:27.31 4
6 Luke Puskedra JR Oregon 28:33.47 3
7 Keith Gerrard SR New Mexico 28:36.33 2
8 Joe Bosshard SO Colorado 28:41.56 1
1 Sam Chelanga SR Liberty 13:29.30 10
2 Lawi Lalang FR Arizona 13:31.69 8
3 Leonard Korir SR Iona 13:35.71 6
4 Chris Derrick JR Stanford 13:36.17 5
5 Diego Estrada JR Northern Arizona 13:38.36 4
6 Rory Fraser SR New Mexico 13:39.40 3
7 Cameron Levins JR Southern Utah 13:40.30 2
8 Donn Cabral JR Princeton 13:40.62 1
Rono ran 8:05.4 in Seattle, May 13 1978. His 13:08.4 was in a dual meet in Berkeley, April 8, 1978.
At the 1978 heat ran in the qualifying heats
2:45pm June 1 8:18.63
6:40pm June 1 13:21.79
his splits in that 5000 were (jogging the curves, sprinting the straights):
(all splits 440 yards)
4:08 (63) 1 mile
8:33 (66) 2 miles
12:56 (61) 3 miles
Finish (58.3, 2:02.9, 4:18.2)
Rono ran 8:12.39 in the steeplechase finals. Did not start in the 5000m.
|40 year old Kenyan|
Here is a "purely objective metric" for you.
As soon as you become subjective you lose the right to say people can't be subjective. (Well except on letsrun where every time you are made to look like an idiot you have the post deleted.)
Others may have been able to double better than Levins if they didn't have the laundry list of excuses you want to trumpet about but none have. Sorry old man, time has moved on without you.
The OP says "double wins at NCAAs - who's done better in NCAA history?
I have gotten a lecture from George before about how PLACE is the key metric in judging performance, with TIME being second I think ...
But I don't have a short memory at all, I thought it was fundamental that if someone had "done better" than Levins they also had to win both events?
The poster did not ask "who has run a faster double?", or who has run faster under tougher conditions, or who had a more impressive performance because of rounds.
Those are all different things, and would all likely have a different winner. George has a great advantage, because he WAS THERE. However, I did not forget about Korir, or Kimobwa or Virgin. I didn't mention them because they did not win both events, so their doubles (while amazingly impressive) don't top Levins because they didn't win both events.
|not feeling cam|
I just don't see this guy going further than this. Do you see him going head to head with Africans who will pushing blistering pace instead of tactical jogs for a 400 meter sprint at the end? Big no in my book.
I started running a little after this year, and I am a big fan of Virgin, and I have some TaFNews issues from this era so I know a bit about it. A lot more than someone who is young now at least. I went to the NCAA Meet in Champaign in '79 also. I was a little kid, but I remember Don Paige's 800/1500 double.
I am amazed that they would grant the NCAAs to Illinois twice in 3 yrs like that. I am even more amazed that they ran distance finals in peak afternoon sun. I am further EVEN more amazed that they ran the 10k and 5k finals on consecutive days.
I can't imagine running a Championship ~13:40 5k one day after running 28:10 in a 10k on a track. And although it is not hot like Texas or Arizona, running in June in southern Illinois is no joke if you have never done it.
Chapeau to Virgin and Kimobwa, exploits like theirs were what made the 70s and that Running Boom era GREAT.
One thing that seems to have improved is the NCAA seems to be thinking of the athletes when they space events that people will likely double in, one day apart, and run the distance races in the evening. At least some things have improved.
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