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pr100
RE: Bolt wins Oslo in 9.79, but....POWELL!!! 6/8/2012 12:48AM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Although I'm not an official, I think it's OK in the 100 if you don't impede.

I've seen guys do it and not get DQ'd. I have also seen somebody step actually over the line and GET DQ'd, but it was near the start and was probably ruled to impede, although in actual fact it didn't.

I have also seen a guy in the outside lane get DQ'd for his foot going over the line at about the 40m mark.

Anybody know the actual rule? I always just stay in my lane.


I don't know the exact wording but I think it's basically - running outside of your lane on the curve is a DQ (you've cut the distance); running outside of your lane on the straight is discretionary DQ - if you impede another runner you'll probably be DQ'd.
Sprintgeezer
RE: Bolt wins Oslo in 9.79, but....POWELL!!! 6/8/2012 9:58AM - in reply to Cc Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
A couple of things:

Powell also beat the old meet record of 9.88 set by Boldon in 2001, in which he required a +2.0 wind, in likely warmer weather. Were it not for Bolt, Powell would own every record in the book, excepting Gay's 9.69

Also, I'd like to see 10m splits from this race. From the youtube vid they looked pretty even until maybe 80m, with Powell a slight advantage on the start, and with a pretty equal drive and transition phases.

I used to think that Powell could cure his end-of-race funk by changing his form, moving from a complete sprinting-type pattern to more of a running-type pattern, like those with great top-end tend to do nowadays, like Bolt and Gay.

But remembering how well Powell has run the relay anchor makes me think that he is just burning up too much energy earlier on in the race, and is completely dead by 80m, and just relies on momentum to carry him to the finish. Having had the benefit of the rolling start, he held his form beautifully through the finish line, something that I haven't often seen him do in a 100.

He is very rarely down on anybody at the 50m mark, so he potentially has some ground to give in the beginning, so that he might save something for the last 20-25m. He maintains his acceleration phase for quite a long time, and it often appears, relative to other competitors, that he puts on a burst of speed between 40 and 55m.

What if he eased off in the first half, and was just even with others at that point? Could he beat them in the second half of the race?

One answer to this question was given at last year's nationals, was yes--he was only even with everybody else at the halfway point, and actually won the race with his speed endurance. In that particular race, he still seemed to put on that burst of late acceleration between 40 and 55m, which is what brought him even--but at the 25m mark, he was down by a meter!

And added to that, I think that he actually eased up at the end of the race because he knew that he had it won.

So in this race he was .06 down on Bolt at the finish--that's pretty damn close. While Bolt leaned, Powell did not, and there is .01 more, so he could have finished .05 behind, which is certainly within striking distance, and certainly small enough that if Bolt makes a small error, Powell could win.

I used to think that if Powell adjusted his arm swing, that his legs would follow favorably, giving him that new top-end form that I thought he needed...now I'm not so sure. I'd like to see him hold back just the tiniest bit in the first half of the race, and see what happens.

Or, just keep doing what he is doing, staying .05 behind Bolt, and hoping that Bolt makes the tiniest of errors and then grips.

While Bolt's all-time best adjusted time is .12 faster than is Powell's, head-to-head racing is the best comparison. IIRC Bolt has never really crushed Powell, except in the 9.58 and 9.69--it always seems like it's pretty close.

I therefore think it's good for Powell to race Bolt as often as possible, even if he loses, so that he goes faster himself by staying in communication with Bolt.

Just thinking out loud again.
business as usual
RE: Bolt wins Oslo in 9.79, but....POWELL!!! 6/8/2012 10:06AM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ventolin^3 wrote:

[quote]Sprintgeezer wrote:I know Bolt won, but POWELL!

Who the F saw that coming?


anyone with a brain you idiot

only a moron woud doubt safa woudn't run ~ 9.85 basic beforehand


but Powell is showing the kind of improvement one wants to see


no

idiot

it looked same calibre as gatlin race


His race looked the same as ever, except that he kept moving from 70-100m, even as Bolt passed him. Actually, I think that Powell stayed at his max top speed longer than he usually does, maybe all the way to 75 or 80m, which is where I think he improved by the .02


moron

no one in there right mind considers 0.02s difference in basic, significant between races

safa has no problem in 70 - 100m period when fired up

idiot

did you see his athens 9.77wr head on when he was straining like an electro-prodded bull ???

stop posting f*cking drivel[/quote]

Ah, good to see Ventolin hurling insults as usual in lieu of being able to argue his point like an adult
An Official
RE: Bolt wins Oslo in 9.79, but....POWELL!!! 6/8/2012 12:22PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It is not a foul in races like the 100m run on a straight away as long as you do not impede. In the world's last year in Dagu Men's 110mhh the Cuban.Robles was dqed for his hand/arm striking the Chinese star,Liu and slowing him and our young US unfavored hurdler,Jason Richardson went on to win a very unexpected Gold!
boubatronic
RE: Bolt wins Oslo in 9.79, but....POWELL!!! 6/8/2012 1:21PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
As usual, Sprintgeezer revels in the notoriety of being the most pompous tool on Letsrun.

Hey SG, why don't you spend your free time a bit more constructively than writing reams and reams of garbage about sprinting on a distance running forum? I guess you think you're a big fish in a small pond, but it never fails to amuse me when you get called out by more knowledgable posters than your pathetic self.

You're so prolific on here I guess you must be unemployed, friendless or likely both.
PhoneixRunner
RE: Bolt wins Oslo in 9.79, but....POWELL!!! 6/8/2012 1:52PM - in reply to boubatronic Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Bumped into Powell 2 weeks ago. Down to earth kind of guy. Hope he kicks Bolt butt.
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