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Is Ron Kauk a genius? |
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The situation under Salazar (3:37 1500) and under Vig (3:37 1500) are not the same. Vig has done it without seriously injuring Webb. Salazar got him to that mediocre time early in the season but very seriously injured him the the process. Salazar failed coaching Webb while Vig is so far showing promise. |
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Hi. It's ok, I've never heard of you either. |
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NO if he was such a genius Webb's career wouldn't be in the toilet in the first place |
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Hater. The answer to the OP: yes, Vig is a mid distance coaching genius. |
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Oh no! It is vig's biggest fan, sp!kes. You may want to wipe that white stuff off your mouth. |
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Hi. It's ok, I've never heard of you either.[/quote] Ah good the old people figured out how to use the internets. 3:53 in HS...3:46 AR...DONE I love how the old folks love to say "Back in my day every one in my town could run 2:15!" To bad it was on a 25 mile course pops. Faster is faster. P.S. It doesn't change anything anyway the discussion is on if Vig is a coaching genius. He might be but not in Webb's case. |
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I have to say the bottom line is Webb seems 100 percent bought in on vig. Coaching is 90% at least just believing in what you are doing and who is telling you to do it. A year ago Webb running for Salazar was angry all the time, temper tantrums at meets, etc. he seems happy, relaxed and enjoying racing for the first time in a long time (2007). |
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That is untrue, to be 50 meters ahead of a 3:37.00 these "Kenyans" would have to run a new world record at 1500 meters. |
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And this is exactly what I'm saying about Vig. Sure, he might have a solid training system that works for athletes. However, he also gets them to buy in to the system. It's too early to know for sure, but I feel like webb may (at least one day) be a competitive racer. Honestly, I think he is a year away from anything too crazy. However, the fact that this a last hurrah is even possible is most likely due, in large part, to Vig's coaching ability. |
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The irony of your own words went right over your head. Don't disrespect somebody with a resume like Salazar. |
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Vig is going to teach Genius 101 at UNC as part of his move to coach there. |
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Um, no. A 3:29 would finish the race while 3:37 guys still had 50 meters to go. You know, a 3:29, like a couple of Kenyans ran a few weeks ago. A 1500 world record, 3:26 or better, would be over 75 meters ahead of a 3:37. Webb, at his best from 2007, would finish 46 meters ahead of his season best for 2012. But that's irrelevant, because he'll probably take a couple seconds off of that 2012 season best in the next few weeks. Probably tomorrow night. |
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Oh, man. I thought I read this is some hilarious dream, but there it is. Someone actually typed those words. Excuse me while I go back to laughing. |
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Oh, man. I thought I read this is some hilarious dream, but there it is. Someone actually typed those words. Excuse me while I go back to laughing.[/quote] Well, Farah is world champion at 5k. Rupp ain't so bad either. I doubt that anyone is all that hot as a coach. A coach can mess things up, of course, but the biggest factor in outcome is the man (or woman) who is the race. Fifty years ago, coaching was a bigger factor, but today, there is so much information out there that plenty of coaches are well informed, smart, and good at what they do. If it was all about the coach, Canova wouldn't be in Kenya and Vig wouldn't be relying on studs like Andrews and Webb. They could just manufacture champions on the virtue of their coaching skills. But it don't work that way and they know it. |
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Wow, given the events of November and the fall from grace at UVA, genius is probably not a word I would assign to Vig. Seems like X's and O's of coaching aside, there have been some pretty poor coaching moves in recent memory. |
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Alan didn't give Salazer the time. He rushed. He wasn't patience. He acted like a fool.[/quote] He got dropped by Nike and had to leave the camp. It wasn't up to him. |
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Due to Salazar's work developing his talent? Um... |
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At the top level, a coach is working with, not creating or making a superlative runner/competitor. Farah was both before he reached Salazar, but, undeniably, there was something he saw/sought in Salazar and subsequent to working with Salazar his race ability sharpened a small but very critical amount. So, let's give credit where credit is due. And surely Rupp has been coached wonderfully well by Salazar, stretching all the way back to high school. Frankly, I never thought Rupp was all that great, but he has become a fantastic runner and seems to have remained a nice person along the way. So, you'll have to excuse me from the bash Salazar bus. He's had some unsuccessful coaching experiences as all coaches do. But he's also had some amazing success with some amazing athletes. So, once again, I'll say give credit where credit is due. If his athletes are doping, then I say throw him and the whole lot under the bus. But I'm clinging to the hope that it's all on the up and up. |
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