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Your post started off bad and then went downhill. I don't necessarily trust Canova, or the managers he is associated with, but understanding blood is not indicative of doping. Also, Kenyans have fared extremely well at all the major marathons and the last few Olympics/World Championships - which have all had testing. Again, that doesn't mean they actually are all clean... but if they are dirty... they will not be caught at the Olympics. |
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Good point. Also, has anyone question why the top Kenyans are not picked for the Olympic team? I really don't get this... |
| AKMarmoset |
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...and? If I was doing this professionally I would make sure my blood was tested at regular intervals. If I was a DI college coach, I would have my athlete's tested at least once every school year. As a high school coach I encourage blood tests as part of a physical for my kids that are training hard. There's a lot of data available there, and if some one is committing the kind of time/effort necessary to race professionally it's a no-brainer to monitor their blood. Go ahead and be suspicious, but base it on something reasonable. |
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I love how people just make things up and write it on here as if it's a fact! It's "well known" where you can get EPO in Nairobi for 10dollars. Well I live here and I am involved with the sport on some level I have no idea where you would get it and neither do any of my friends runners and non runners alike. I'm not saying that no Kenyan's dope - I am just questioning why people like you feel the need to invent 'facts' like you have done above! |
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did you try to get it and don't where to get it or have you simply not tried? Asking a doctor would be a good place to start. |
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let's talk $$$ proper pharmaceutical quality epo http://bestmedvalues.com/buy-ARANESP-online
this woud likely be minimal dose a doper woud take 2.25mcg/kg every 1/52 say guy is about 60kg -> 135mcg/week looking at prices : 100 mcg Vial 1 $2134.82 25 mcg Vial 2 $1031.02 to get 135mcg, you'd need a 100mcg vial + 2 of the 25mcg so we are talking $ 3165.84 what kinda shit do you think they are getting for 10 bucks ??? |
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The full half-hour documentary is to be broadcast tonight, on "WDR Sport Inside". http://www.wdr.de/tv/sport_inside/sendungsbeitraege/2012/0521/kenia.jsp |
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& i'd add, you woud probably want to take it every 1/52 for 4 weeks for a decent cycle so, $ 12,000+ for decent course ( i'm sure of course you'd get a discount for hard simolians on the table ) |
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Oh, I dont know - back in 1974, we had a chap, Ian Thompson, who had been just a reasonable standard club runner for some time, never broke 28.50 for 10k in the UK - suddenly up and ran a worlds best marathon time of 2.9.12 in the Commonwealth Games of that year. Never the slightest suggestion he was ever anything other than clean. (Clayton ran 2.8.33 in 1969, but on a disputed short course.) |
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Here is more than a season worth of supply for 450$ in the US. Thats roghly 10$ a shot. In the third world you can get it even cheaper due to low risk for customs seizure. http://anemiapatientgroup.blogspot.com/2009/05/blog-post.html Lots of chinese companies manufacture the stuff for very low prices now as the 20 year old patent has ended. http://www.tradekey.com/index.html?action=product_search&search_in=1&criteria=2&keyword=erythropoietin&start_date=0&business=&track=&kw_cats=&search_category=&country=&ar_country=&categories=&search_in=&member=&country=
let's talk $$$ proper pharmaceutical quality epo http://bestmedvalues.com/buy-ARANESP-online
this woud likely be minimal dose a doper woud take 2.25mcg/kg every 1/52 say guy is about 60kg -> 135mcg/week looking at prices : 100 mcg Vial 1 $2134.82 25 mcg Vial 2 $1031.02 to get 135mcg, you'd need a 100mcg vial + 2 of the 25mcg so we are talking $ 3165.84 what kinda shit do you think they are getting for 10 bucks ???[/quote] |
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www dot gobizdiscount88 dot com or www dot goworldsale dot com |
| ggg |
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2:09.21 is far from 28:50 pace for a full 42195m |
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Yeah, that's very relevant since Chinese companies are well known for respecting intellectual property rights. |
| weissbier runner |
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If you have problems with loading, try this link: http://www.sportschau.de/Medien/doping/videokenianischelaeuferunterdopingverdacht100.html |
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yes, the ability to run a marathon at paces similar to 10k is not that astonishing to me. i have friends and teammates who run mediocre 5ks and impressive marathons. during those marathon phases they probably could have brought down their 5 and 10k times significantly, but they weren't racing them. some people are better at longer distance. doesn't mean some people aren't doping, it just doesn't mean that everyone has to be. but that science of sport line mirrors something i said recently. take lance: assuming he's on drugs (i don't see how he can't be), it's still impressive, because he's beating all those other guys who are also on drugs. it's just a shame that they're all on drugs. i for one couldn't do it. i like to think it's morals, but i'm also not good enough for it to be worth it...and i hate needles! |
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Even among dopers, there are variations in the quality of drugs, doctors, and dopign regimens. To see some talented athlete master those aspects is not impressive at all. |
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And it is easy to find a doctor in the street who is willing to claim all the Kenyan success for a quick pay. Kenyans treat westerners different because they think they have have a lot of money, as a westerner you will pretty much get any info you want and people will say and just do anything for you. I have a lot more trust on Kenyan runners and Kenya people, I am worried more about people from outside who may have ulterior motives.The reporter might have been served better if he alleged that there are a few Kenyans who maybe doping but alleging that there is widespread doping in Kenya does not understand Kenya and its people. |
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So what you're saying is: Kenyan people are good people. Wsstern people are bad people. Have I got this right? The evil white people don't understand the happy, smiley, genetically unprogrammed to cheat Kenyans? |
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Yes but Lance is/was on some much better drugs than the other guys most likely because of his status and wealth. The richer you are the better the drugs you can purchase as well as masking agents.
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I need to see the entire report and more evidence to fully believe the allegations of doping. In my opinion, I see the Kenyan distance situation similar to the US sprinting situation. The US sprinting competition is so fierce that a hundredth of a second can be the difference of making the Olympic team with huge endorsements and not. Kenyan distance is very similar. Look at what Kenyans did not make their Olympic marathon team. It is very likely some of the Kenyan distance runners are doping. But like US sprinting, they need to find proof first. |