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Take it easy on Saul. After looking at his line of thinking, he can't be more than 14. He'll soon grow up. |
| Saul Goodman |
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that was your fault, You seem to be quite unfamilar with the law. Nope. I know the law. I also know that logically I was in no way at fault or responsible for what happened. According to your wonderful logic, you could be a terrible driver driving a terrible car that you're unable to control and if you smash it into my car but prove that I was going 1mph over the speed limit, that it would be my fault. I'm not sure what exactly you expect a person with a leashed dog to do. When my dog is on a leash, I can and will keep my dog away from your dog. But if your dog isn't on a leash, I can't keep the dogs apart all by my self. If your dog approaches mine, there's not a thing I can do about it. Well, if you can't stop your dog from attacking another dog or person when they are on a leash you really need to keep it out of public or get it into some training classes. What on earth would be your plan on a narrow path where your dog is forced to be within striking distance of passing children or dogs (leashed or not)? Keep your crappy dog at home, please. Another Hobbyjogger He is familiar with it. He just thinks he shouldn't apply to him. I will try that line the next time I get a speeding ticket. "But officer, I didn't cause a wreck. Why should I get a speeding ticket?" Saul thinks the leash law should only be applied AFTER the fact. AFTER a dog attacks someone then that dog should have to be on a leash. Very ego centric thinking Not exactly true. I acknowledge that laws are in place to keep people safe. Since there is nothing unsafe about me having my dog run with me off the leash in some areas, I see no need to follow that law at that particular time. Are you really saying your speedometer has never gone above the posted speed limit? Or you've never gone through a stop sign without fully stopping before proceeding? Because if either of these are true, then you're a hypocrite. I mean, the second you go 1mph over the speed limit, you're immediately endangering yourself, your passengers, and anyone else around you.... runner dunker, Saul, you are simply in the wrong. I would say I have had 99% positive experiences with unleashed dogs while running, but a few have been very negative. I was really fortunate on one run to be near a teammate who hit a rotweiler with a stick to stop it from attacking me. As a result, even though I have had 99% good experiences, every time I run by an unleashed dog I become uncomfortable and nervous because the negative consequence of encountering one of those 1% is so bad. Regardless of whether or not your dog has ever attacked someone, you are contributing to a very reasonable and justified fear that many runners and walkers experience every time they see a dog off leash. What you are doing is not only illegal, but also justifiably distressing to a large number of people. And it is not a proper defense to say, "well my dog has never attacked anyone, it's not my fault if people are paranoid about dogs" Honestly, this sounds like your own personal issue. Yes, it sucks that you were attacked. No, I in no way condone crappy dogs being off-leash. But it sounds like you've developed a phobia if you have uncontrollable anxiety in safe situations. And I wouldn't say a large number of people share this fear. I think it's a very small (vocal) minority as it relates to the population as a whole. Look everyone, I'm all for keeping crappy dogs away. And severe punishments when they get out of line. But I'm not okay with our society nerfing every goddamn thing because a few people have bad experiences. One person spills their coffee on their crotch, then millions upon millions of private and tax dollars are spent rewriting laws, changing policies and containers, etc. Great, now my coffee cup tells me that my coffee is *gasp* hot. If you see me running by with my dumb-ss dog next to me and there's no leash, yet you're still outraged and terrified, I think we have much bigger problems as a species than the occasional dog bite. |
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There is a difference between breaking the law and being liable. Running is the perfect time to get alpha! |
| the law is on our side |
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Hi Saul, Feel free to argue all you want. Legally speaking, you lose and we win. So your arguments don't matter. Have a good day. |
| Alpha male #2 |
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OMG! You take your dog out for "personal protection"??!!? This is the problem. These dog owners are bunch of freaking milquetoasts! There is no way in hell they are going to be capable of asserting any authority over their dog when (not if) it goes into he's-never-ever-done-that-before mode. |
| Calling Out Dog People |
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There's a tremendous amount of generalizing in the posts for this topic, so I'll keep with the pattern. Dog owners have already failed in their interactions with people, and have chosen to give much of their attention to a freaking dog. Don't expect them to be sympathetic or nice to you. Dog owners were maladjusted before they even got the dog and rover just makes matters worse. They don't control their dog because they are a mess in the first place. Even a dog is too difficult for them to get right. Don't run away from the dog, run away from the dog owner. He/she has the pet that tells you the owner is an antisocial mess. Oh, I know it's not every dog owner, and it's not you, but it's a great many of them. Dog people are a blight on modern society, getting worse with every year they retard their own development by relating to their dog, instead of dealing with the character failings that made people hate them before they ever had a dog. |
| A Dog |
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As a dog, I can't agree with Saul. We don't want to be off leash. It is dangerous out there. And besides the point, when I see a squirrel, I must chase it. It is my instinct, and so I'll blame my owner if I get hit by a dog. I also want to be on a leash because I'm scared of those joggers. due to many of my dog friends, they are nervous and might get scared and hurt me, even if I have no ill-intent. So smarten up owners and leash us. |
| A Dog |
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I meant "hit by a car". I'm a dog: don't expect good English. |
| Saul Goodman |
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Feel free to argue all you want. Legally speaking, you lose and we win. So your arguments don't matter. Great, you win. Does that mean you'll shut the eff up when I run by with my un-leashed dog? - By the way, I don't know that any of you have answered whether or not you ever exceed the speed limit or roll through stop signs. Those laws are in place to protect people. Breaking them not only endangers you and everyone around you - but even if you don't actually cause an accident when doing so, I'm frightened when I see it happening because I don't know for sure that you're not going to hit me with your car. So I have to think extra hard when I'm driving and I sometimes suffer panic attacks when I see a car driving really fast by me. I mean, most of the time nothing bad happens, but about 20% of the time someone speeds around me I kinda have to alter my course a bit. And one time, 13 years ago, a guy rolled through a stop sign and dinged my bumper so there's that... |
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I'll answer. Yes, I do stop at signs and obey the speed limit. However, I recently was caught speeding...45 in a 30 or something like that. Guess what I did. I accepted the penalty for breaking the traffic law and paid the ticket. Of course you feel free to blow off stop signs and crosswalks and any other law that inconveniences you and your doggie. If the police ever try to get you to comply with these laws or give you a citation just refuse and explain how those laws don't apply to you. I might help if you stamp your feet and scream ME-ME-ME-ME-ME!!! Let us know how this works out. |
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I've had a few small problems with lunging dogs when I'm running and a couple times was "chased" by small dogs. Nothing major and the owners were all good about it. My real problem with dog owners is when they don't clean up after their dogs bowel movements. That really bothers me. My city has installed a ton of bag and garbage sites so people can pick up and dispose of their dog's feces. Many people can't be bothered to use them. It boggles my mind. Once I saw this dude walking his dog, he had a bag in his hand, his dog dropped a huge bomb, dude kinda bent over in the general direction, waved his arm, looked around, stood up, and walked away. Total douche. I think I've seen him exiting an XF box before. |
| Saul Goodman |
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Wow, so the one time you broke a traffic law in your entire life you were caught and cited? Those are some pretty astronomical odds. I certainly hope you're not stretching the truth a wee bit to try to make a point... |
| Big John |
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Read it again, slowly this time, and focus on comprehension of the words that are actually there. |
| Saul Goodman |
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Read it again, slowly this time, and focus on comprehension of the words that are actually there. So I did what you said and read it again, slowly. I think I'm bad at comprehension because I saw that he wrote: That he obeys traffic laws. That he was caught breaking a traffic law. Sometimes words confuse me so much! Can you help me understand? |
| Big John |
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At least that time you comprehended parts of it. I knew you could do it!! |
| reddawg |
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One time a dog attacked me on a run. I punched to dog in the mouth and its tooth came out. I picked it up and ran home with it. To this day I wear the tooth around my neck as a reminder. Therefore I am powerful. |
| Crazy Cat Lady |
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Excellent point. Let's all just be glad they are raising dogs instead of children. |
| Stan Yourground |
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What's the law about killing dogs that might attack you? If a dog is off leash where there is a leash law can you decide that you are standing your ground and kill it in self defense? ....does it have to be a black dog? |
| Big John |
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I don't recall all the details, so you will have to look it up if interested, but I believe something very close to this happened. The dog was off a leash. It attacked a runner. The runner killed the dog. I think it was even in Florida! Of course the owner had all the standard excuses Saul has defended previously. |
| Carribbean Coach |
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Sorry, but that is only allowed with humans in Florida, not dogs. |