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I'm amazed how many schools put kids in the 10k / 5k double. For example, Arizona has top all-Americans doubling like this. Is this common? Then they do it at regionals then again at NCAA's. That's a lot of tough racing. Does a few points in PAC 12 matter that much? Are they just looking at team points and using the athletes? I mean this can't be in the athletes best interest right? My old coach in hs did the trials back in the day (72 & 76) and said he did the 10k trials, ran the ot marathon a day or so later then came back for the 10k final a few days after that. "it's just what you did. We all did it." In the day where we run less and less 10ks, cut the 10k trials from the Olympics an OT is this just old school or just dumb? How do you train for this. A slower longer 10k interval workout one day and a faster 5k the next day? Back to back hard days or still follow the hard easy principle? |
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Mileage. Day in day out for years on end. |
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"Is the 10k / 5k double common in conference?" I can tell you that at the Heptagonals (Ivy League championship) meet, the top four guys (and a few others) from the 10,000 came back the next day, though one did the steeplechase rather than the 5,000. And this was the case, even though only one out of the top four was from a squad that had any chance of winning the overall team title, and the 10,000 had been run at an honest pace (a guy ran sub-30:00 and didn't score) in conditions that were less than ideal. For some schools--certainly all the Ivy schools--conference matters hugely, and they'll pull out all the stops to try to win...or just to have their team finish in the top half of the league, or earn bragging rights over a traditional rival. My observation is that some teams do simulate this situation in practice once or twice, with a couple of hard days back to back; others just have their guys do two hard days of racing at one or two meets earlier in the season. Whatever they did to prepare, it seemed to work: some of the guys actually looked better in their second race than in their first. The poster above gave one clue, though we saw that more BITD: years of mileage, if you can handle it, do make it relatively easier to recover from a hard day and bounce back. Example, Shorter at the 1972 OG: American record in the 10,000m heats, another AR three days later in the final, marathon gold a week later. At my own, much lower competitive level in the same year, it was routine for us to run hard road races, usually ten miles or longer, on virtually a weekly basis; and I was considered not *really* serious, because my mileage rarely exceeded 70 per week. It's mostly a question of expectation, I think. American distance runners in general seem to be getting a little more hardnosed about doing multiple races and expecting to do them well. |
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Yes, it is very common. Why are you on a college track team if you don't want to race? If the athletes don't care about "a few points at Pac 12's" how could anyone else ever be expected to care? |
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Yes points count, but who has a chance to point in the 10 & 5 when the are less than 24hrs apart. really poor planning by Pac12, which is suppose to be a distance conference. I checked the results and only 13 guys entered. That is a joke for the PAC 12. Will see who doubles well. |