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Sprintgeezer
Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 3:01PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Old news by now, Gatlin 9.87 (+0.4)

Vid is up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=463y6tEbBsQ

A bunch of us exactly correctly predicted this on this board, myself and TrackCoach specifically, so it was no big surprise.

For me, it is surprising that it actually came, so early.

This race highlighted a number of obvious things:

1) Powell's finish SUCKS compared to the best. Sure, he was blowing away Carter, but if Gatlin can catch him, Bolt and Blake will blow him away like he's standing still. Same old Powell.

2) Carter looks relatively weak this year, at 10.05 in a good race. He'll probably finish low 9.9x, as he always does, and will struggle mightily to even make the Jamaican team in the open 100.

3) Clarke looked surprisingly good, he broke 10.00 for the first time, and it would have been a 9.90 with a good wind. That's solid, he could prove to be a good relay leadoff runner. I think he is maxxed-out, though.

4) Powell still has his excellent start and drive phase, which is nice to see. I look for him to round into his top form this year, by mid-summer, and then trail off toward the end.

5) Vicaut looks like he hasn't recovered from his hamstring injury during indoors. Watching him run was painful, like watching an injured MJ trying to sprint the straight 100. Not good news for the French relay team.

6) Gatlin needs to improve his RT. He was at .171, basically tied with Clarke and Vicaut for the worst in the field. Compared to Powell's .134, Gatlin left almost .04 on the table! Jamaica would have crapped its pants had Gatlin dropped a 9.83 (+0.4) in Doha, in early May.

7) Patton is clean. He's consistent, he's hovering above 10.00, like an excellent clean guy should this time of year. No real doubts about this guy's integrity.

8) Powell TRIED HARD for the win. He ran THROUGH the line, and even leaned for the tape. This was an excellent race to watch.

9) Gatlin seemed to come up rather early, maybe that is something that is good for him, I don't know. I didn't see those "jets" at 50m that he showed in Istanbul. He needs to pick up another solid .10 to be in the thick of things, though, and soon. Some of that will be RT, but where is the rest to come from? Can his start ever match Powell's? I don't think so. His top end is great. It is the transition from where it will come, if ever.
0bi
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 4:15PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I kinda got the impression Powell eased up, even his "lean" wasnt all that commited imo looked like he ran 90m like he always do, dude's a beast though tremendous talent if he was just a little "thougher" and "agressive" he could beat a fully fit, 100% Bolt.
Gatlin looks impressive he can def go 9.77 again (clean?/doped, I dont care) sounds like good news for USA's relay team.
I hope Gay returns 100%, the 100m field is looking ridiculous fast this year.
coach d
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 4:34PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Sprintgeezer wrote:

1) Powell's finish SUCKS compared to the best. Sure, he was blowing away Carter, but if Gatlin can catch him, Bolt and Blake will blow him away like he's standing still. Same old Powell.


I'm not so sure about that. I hope that this can be some kind of breakthrough for Powell. In a perfect world, you might say to Asafa to hold back a bit more in the drive phase in the first 40, maybe stay down a bit longer and conserve energy, so he has more for the finish, but Asafa tends to panic and change form/shut down when someone gets ahead of him. Maybe the thing for him to do with the psychological problems is just go out really hard and try to hold on.

Powell has huge power, and doesn't really have the SE for the finish it appears. It's certainly not that MVP doesn't do overdistance work.

Asafa and Justin I think have every reason to be happy with the results.

As for Asafa....whatever works.

Now that we have an honest-to-goodness anti-doping agency in Jamaica, Bolt's dominance doesn't seem to be what it used to be. We'll see who has the most training leverage left before the OG, but right now, even without Gay, the 100m gold looks like a real horse race. It's going to sell a lot of tickets.
bRoski
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 5:29PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
very interesting race from gatlin very strong looked great for so early in the season. i expect him to be at least 9.7s by the olympics. i think he is a favorite to medal in london. it will be so satisfying to see his medal get taken away.
Tommy Boy
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 5:47PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
[quote]Sprintgeezer wrote:

Old news by now, Gatlin 9.87 (+0.4)

Vid is up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=463y6tEbBsQ

A bunch of us exactly correctly predicted this on this board, myself and TrackCoach specifically, so it was no big surprise.

What was it that you "exactly correctly predicted"? Did you predict Gatlin would win in Doha with a 9.87 time?
Mr Optimism
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 6:18PM - in reply to 0bi Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Surely Gatlin is clean now?

A clean 9.87? Wow!
LookyLooky
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 9:13PM - in reply to Mr Optimism Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
A clean 9.87s in his first run for 2012? At 30 y.o. this is almost certainly his last chance at running competitively at an Olympics. He did not make the 100M final last year in Daegu. What would he lose by juicing but being a bit more careful this time around. Just do the math.
Awesome
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 9:17PM - in reply to bRoski Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If Gatlin medals and then has it taken away so will all of the other medalists and finalists. Why so much hate on these boards for Gatlin?
hell to the yes
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 9:39PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I hate this guy, Every time I see him race it just points out everything that's wrong with track and field. A two time cheater is allowed to come back and make a mockory of the sport. I hope for the sake of track and field he doesn't make the US team. What an embarrassment for the sport, and for the US if he makes the team. Why isn't Marion Jones allowed to come back as well, in fact where is Tim Montgomery, and kelli White. Bring them all back if you're going to allow proven cheaters to run.Can't stand this trash. Jesse Owens is rolling in his grave.
Trolltastic
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 9:43PM - in reply to Tommy Boy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Tommy Boy wrote:
What was it that you "exactly correctly predicted"? Did you predict Gatlin would win in Doha with a 9.87 time?


Of course not, he's just trolling as usual.
ventolin^3
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 9:54PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Sprintgeezer wrote:Gatlin needs to improve his RT. He was at .171, basically tied with Clarke and Vicaut for the worst in the field. Compared to Powell's .134, Gatlin left almost .04 on the table! Jamaica would have crapped its pants had Gatlin dropped a 9.83 (+0.4) in Doha, in early May


moron

his 60i was = 6.43i with better start

that =

9.86 basic

he ran shit race today against the guy who was the big dog in mid/late '00s

justin had shit start against a top guy

he'll round into 9.80 basic by trials, which will get him 3rd spot
yoyoyoyoyooyo
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 9:59PM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
HAAA my nigga Gatlin gon smash ya'll haterzz. He's back nigga, and he aint gon settle for anything less than tha gold bithces! Dis nigga ready for Insane Bolt, shit gon go down!
ventolin^3
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 10:05PM - in reply to yoyoyoyoyooyo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i woud give some credence to the possibility proferred by the eminent gentleman of esteem aforementioned...
body master
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 10:05PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I did not know his reaction time was that bad! He would have equaled his personal best 9.85 with an average reaction of .15!

I don't think you saw clearly how fast Gatlin was coming for Powell. It's not that Asafa's finish is bad, it's just that the top dawgs usually have subpar starts and make up for it with incredible closing speed.

Tyson Gay, Yohan Blake, Usain Bolt, and even Justin Gatlin most of the time have all proven to have incredible top end speed. You have to remember at one point in the game Gatlin was talked of as having the best top end speed in the world. Go look at any of his races and look at how well he finishes, staying patient in his drive and accelerating out of it.

I HIGHLY doubt Yohan Blake has a better finish than Gatlin. If Gatlin's in front out of the drive phase (by 40m) then Blake won't catch him. Only Tyson Gay and Usain Bolt have that kind of speed endurance to reel basically anyone in.
yoyoyoyoyooyo
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 10:10PM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
yes tanks real homies real recognize real niggas. Gatlin put in work doe. he goin ta work on Usain Bolt write it up playa haterzz. cuz it gon happen. Gatlin's got da gats out he fillin arenas and he gots da gats like gilbert arenas!
body master
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 10:12PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I know a lot of you are thinking back at Yohan Blake moved away from the field to win the World Championships. But that was a terrible field. Walter Dix with zero wind wouldn't have even went under 10 seconds.

Remember Justin Gatlin's 2005 World Championships win against a similar field of no other sub 10 finishes? He was in the mix of the field and blew them away in the middle much like Blake.

They just have different strategies of achieving this allusion of speed. Gatlin is patient in his drive and uses big, long steps to cover ground while saving energy to turnover later in the race. Blake just has a TON of speed endurance.
body master
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 10:19PM - in reply to body master Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
BTW, Sprint geezer what do you think of Walter Dix 20.02 in Doha? It looks like he's changed his form AGAIN. More like Justin Gatlin it seems.

Anyways, it didn't look good.
ventolin^3
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 10:31PM - in reply to body master Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

body master wrote:Gatlin is patient in his drive and uses big, long steps to cover ground while saving energy to turnover later in the race


no

clueless

they wanna drive like a shot bullet from the gun

he in no way wants to be laggin' at any stage

it's just his poor drive - not as pathetic as Carl/tyson, but it's still shit
s.mouse
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 11:24PM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I appreciate the aspect of sprinting analysis that sprintgeezer and track coach have brought to these boards. Having been a miler throughout my career, true sprinting analysis is something that I admittedly know nothing about. Much appreciated...and certainly has made watching these races more interesting for me. A world class sprinter in full flight, like a race horse, is something beautiful to behold.
He did his time...
RE: Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012 5/11/2012 11:51PM - in reply to s.mouse Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Fvck the haters and Fvck letsrun, he deserves everything he's worked for, it's no wonder anybody who reads this stupid sh!t hates this website..[quote]s.mouse wrote:
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