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| formidable doer of the nasty |
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This argument has absolutely bollocks to do with the issue. If your morals or the morals of other catholics (who, I might add, only showed limited muted outrage over your own clergy's rampant child molestation, so basically fuck their morals!) forbid you to enter into marriages that cannot produce children, then don't. It's that simple! Nobody's forcing you to marry a person of your own sex or an infertile person. The point is that there are many people who DO want to marry someone of their own sex and for way too long they have had other people (like you) tell them that they're not allowed to do that. Now, are you gonna tell us that you think it should be that way? Are you somehow superior to all the homosexual citizens of the United States of America? If so, on exactly what grounds do you claim superiority? Because I gotta tell you, based on your post I have formed the strong impression that the opposite is true. |
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First off, this is the first time I've seen this thread and wanted to JUST respond to your post. Have not read the rest of thread. To your question, no I don't believe it's wrong to not 'support' gay marriage and why should you have to 'play along'? just b/c you don't want a heated debate? Not to be mean but you need to grow a pair? Just like the gays and their rights wanting to speak out, you have every right to speak your mind. With that said, I am not bothered by same sex marriages or them having the same rights as heterosexual couples but if we decided and didn't care for the kids or children adopted OR somehow raised by the same sex couple...is that fair? Unless, we're in a majority state or country that has same sex couples/marriages, how are we able to produce off springs? or carry on off springs? think about it...either way, I am more worried about a child brought into or semi related to a sam sex couple and yet is confused as to whether what roles each couple play? two moms or two dads can produce a child? seriously.... |
| weary ramblers bones |
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Nobody is under any obligation to support gay marriage. I don't think gay people really care about your "support", all they care about is that your opinion does not infringe on their rights to equal treatment under the law. |
| another banned poster |
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Stop trying to make this an issue of procreation or child welfare! It's a completely moronic argument. If you want to deny same-sex couples the right to marry because they can't procreate naturally, then you have to also outlaw marriage of infertile couples, including all women above child-bearing age and anyone who has been sterilized. So is that want you want to do? If you want to deny same-sex couples the right to marry out of concern for any children they raise, then you have to also outlaw marriage of unfit parents (such as alcoholics, people with mental disorders, poor people, and anyone who doesn't live up to whatever arbitrary parenting standard you're advocating. Are you in favor of that? And you should definitely outlaw single-parent households where one parent has to fulfill both sets of gender roles. If you're not willing to go through with those legal changes, then your argument against same-sex marriage is not valid. |
| Think of the children!!! |
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No you don't. You have to draw the line somewhere, and sex is an easy place to draw the line. I mean, why is the voting age 18? Why not 19 or 17? It's just an easy place to draw the line. |
| itizi |
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didn't really read the thread, but this is my view on it: marriage is a traditional thing, like the op said. However this tradition has its roots in religion (pretty sure about that anyway). So- on that premise, let marriage be a solely religious function not affected by the government. You get married in a church, or wherever by a priest and whatnot, if you're a religious person. This way, if your church allows it, gays and lesbians can get married. For the government, they will no longer be involved with marriages. They will however deal with civil unions, which would replace government sanctioned marriages. This way, everybody wins. Gays and Lesbians can get married if their religion allows it, and they can get the tax breaks and benefits of current marriages through a civil union like everybody else would. |
| Think of the children!!! |
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They don't have religion in China, but they do have marriage. |
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No, again I am NOT against same sex marriages or couples having rights, I am just concern for the kids raised in family thinking..."hey, I can have kids too--both my parents are of the same sex!" How do you explain that? I just think if we go to a state/ country where it's okay to be with the same sex or be married, how the hell do you think you are going to produce those genders???? I'm not against rights of same sex, I am just worried about the children they raise...that's all. Same thing as if it was any kid born/raised into a unusual/dysfunctional family. Just my opinion only. |
| Jeff Wigand |
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No, again I am NOT against same sex marriages or couples having rights, I am just concern for the kids raised in family thinking..."hey, I can have kids too--both my parents are of the same sex!" How do you explain that? I just think if we go to a state/ country where it's okay to be with the same sex or be married, how the hell do you think you are going to produce those genders???? I'm not against rights of same sex, I am just worried about the children they raise...that's all. Same thing as if it was any kid born/raised into a unusual/dysfunctional family. Just my opinion only.[/quote] I don't think it's an issue. http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1994480,00.html |
| Good Billy |
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No, again I am NOT against same sex marriages or couples having rights, I am just concern for the kids raised in family thinking..."hey, I can have kids too--both my parents are of the same sex!" How do you explain that? I just think if we go to a state/ country where it's okay to be with the same sex or be married, how the hell do you think you are going to produce those genders???? I'm not against rights of same sex, I am just worried about the children they raise...that's all. Same thing as if it was any kid born/raised into a unusual/dysfunctional family. Just my opinion only.[/quote] Something tells me that the child raised by two loving mothers in San Francisco is gonna have a much better upbringing then by an abusive alcohol redneck in Alabama |
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Testing 1 2 3. Just testing to see if my username got banned because I'm trying to respond and it's not posting. |
| serious question. |
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Denying their existence? Who's doing that? Where did you get that? Since you don't have kids, you must not be aware how this subject is being pushed on kids in public schools at a time when many of them don't even know the basic biological facts of life. The teenage years are awkward, formative years for most kids both socially and sexually (cue the Wonder Years) and many of them hardly even understand their own body parts. If you want your boy to be told that it's ok to stick his penis up another guy's rectum, well, you're a different kind of parent than I am.
You're ok with incest? Really? You would go that far to avoid a double standard and defend gay marriage? Are you willing to put a bumper sticker on your car promoting incestuous marriage? These people need someone to stand up for their right to marry. Will you post it on Facebook, or are you too embarrassed in front of all the small-minded and recidivistic people that would frown on you? Would it be ok for the public schools to teach your (eventual) kids that it's ok for your son and daughter to date, make out, and eventually marry?
I'm weak? I'm the one with the backbone trying to express what I think is right even though it's not popular on this forum or in society. That's weak? Why don't you show your strength by standing up for the incest community. I'm sure the Oedipus Society could use a strong spokesperson since you're obviously not weak and don't merely go along with views only because they're popular. Lol. Gays are a tiny fraction of society, but the LBGT movement is a large and vocal movement that forces governments of all levels to succumb to their demands or else they'll be labeled as intolerant. Look how Barack Obama flip-flopped on this issue just today from when he was a Senator. |
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Americans have the freedom and the right to be gay if that's what they want. I completely agree with that. But I don't want the public schools teaching my kids that being gay is normal. It's not. I'm glad to see you promote freedom, tolerance, and fairness. The Oedipus Society needs you to defend their rights. Few people are speaking up for them. Now's your chance to really show your courage since it wouldn't be popular to speak up for them. |
| serious question. |
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It's not as complicated as you make it sound. That's just blurring the facts to avoid the reality that homosexuality is acquired by choice. For obvious reasons, we can't do this, but take 1000 twelve year old boys and show them each a picture of a buff naked man and a hot naked woman and see which one they get a b0ner for. It's not that complicated. |
| Pie is Sometimes Gewd |
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Is it wrong for God not to support gay marriage? |
| Jeff Wigand |
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What about a woman's rectum? A woman's mouth?
Do you see the difference between advocating a position versus stating that people may be free to do as they please? Would you want your 18 year old son to marry a 92 year old woman? I'm guessing you would say no. I wouldn't be very approving of it if it were my son. Does that mean we should legislate against such relationships? Does that mean public schools should only teach that relationships between people of approximately the same age are okay?
There's a poster or two on this board who would say the same thing, except swapping out "LBGT" with another minority.
He actually returned to the position he held as far back as 1996. I don't like the fact that he was disingenuous (that's a nice way to say untruthful or dishonest) about his personal position on gay marriage four years ago, but I understand it. |
| Jeff Wigand |
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What is difference between you saying the above, and another parent saying:
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| Jeff Wigand |
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Absolutely false. There's a mountain of scientific evidence that sexuality has a basis in the brain. Such as: Gay Brains Structured Like Those of the Opposite Sex http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=5176866&page=1#.T6sp0e1rWAs Gay Men's Brains Look Like Those of Straight Women http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html Prenatal Programming of Sexual Preference http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2668810/?tool=pmcentrez
And a certain percentage will be prefer the man to the woman. |
| another banned poster |
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We should not be concerned with the opinions of fictitious characters. |
| TKTKTK |
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It's not as complicated as you make it sound. That's just blurring the facts to avoid the reality that homosexuality is acquired by choice. For obvious reasons, we can't do this, but take 1000 twelve year old boys and show them each a picture of a buff naked man and a hot naked woman and see which one they get a b0ner for. It's not that complicated.[/quote] What the hell are you even talking about? Goddamn, it's always the homophobes that have the most vivid pornographic imaginations. I'm glad you enjoy your little scene, with you and 1,000 twelve year-old boys looking at naked pictures. You and the rest of the gay-hating Republican party can beat off to stuff like that for hours. The rest of us? We'd rather not picture underage children being brought to arousal by you. Enough. Your comments about anal sex being taught in school and your way-too graphic description of you and 1,000 naked aroused children are over the top and frankly should get you arrested. But what they really do is show you to be physically repulsed by homosexuality. You have no reason to think that gays do any harm to their communities, partners, or adopted children: you just. don't. like. them. I'm sorry. They're here. They're real. And they're not turning straight because of your indignation. And your indignation, your hate, makes you weak. You think you're a tough guy because you're mouthing off on an anonymous running message board and voting against the rights of your friends and neighbors? Nope. All that shows is that you're fragile and defensive. So I'll say it again. We're a bigger, better country than you would have us be. We're more generous, more imaginative, more accepting, and stronger - making room for more people at the table doesn't mean there's less to go around. It means the company is more complex, the conversation more compelling. One day maybe you'll get it. Anyway, like I said: Enough. You disgust me, tough guy. |