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so many republican bigots on letsrun, why do they gravitate to this site? |
| Jeff Wigand |
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Can the Ford Motor Company deny someone employment because they're Jewish?
Can a homosexual couple achieve the same legal standing in society as a heterosexual couple? |
| JackOfAss |
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For the life of me the two things I can not understand why ANYONE would care about: 1) why do you care if gay people marry. 2) why weed is still illegal. |
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So this becomes a thread with a lot of people arguing over scripture to try and defend anti-gay positions. The Bible is just a book written by a bunch of guys. It's not the word of God by any means. |
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Why don't you read the post, moron. You completely missed the point. |
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Yes, it does. The public schools in my state are teaching my children that homosexuality is a normal sexual expression that is as equally valid as heterosexual marriage. That is not true. It's a choice. If people want to choose the homosexual lifestyle, that's their own business and they should not be persecuted or abused for it. But they should not expect society to approve it as a normal way of living. I'm not going to raise my young son and ask him which boys he has a crush on. Or my daughter when she's a teenager and ask her what girl she wants to date. And before you respond by asking how I as a straight guy can make such a claim that it's a choice and how can I possibly know what it feels like to be a homosexual, No, I don't have to be a homosexual to know it's not right any more than I have to be a polygamist or commit incest to know that's not right either. |
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It's a Bible fight! Everyone head for cover - you might get hit by a verse taken out of context! I especially like the person saying "you need a history lesson," then proceeding to interpret the Bible... |
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Not in Virginia. Previously, they had a policy which outlawed discrimiation against people on basis of religion, color, race, disability and sexual orientation. This WAS when gay people were able to do anything in terms of employment. Not now when voters managed to pass the bill removing "sexual orientation" from their policy for discrimiation. Technically, Virginia has the right to discrimiate againist gay people when it comes to employment. |
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I'd love to see you to say this to a gay person in person. Seriously, please do this. |
| carrot onion |
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Yep, and say the same thing to someone that supports incest. Seriously, please do this. |
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Because (a) they can release their bigoted BS anonymously and (b) the moderators of the site are republican bigots so they enjoy a unique protection from contradiction. Whenever the bigots start to lose a debate it usually gets removed or at least "moderated". |
| Bobby1 |
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I've never heard of Gay Marriage supporters speaking out in support of Polygamy. Now that's something worthwhile. |
| Faggetaboutit |
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This not true. They are not treated the same way for taxes and benefits. A civil union partner cannot typically be put on a health insurance plan of his/her partner. The person cannot receive life insurance claims and spousal social security benefits. A legal civil union does not grant the same accross the board rights of those with a marriage license. In some cases they can get these rights but not all and that is what they are trying to get legalized gay marriage. You can frown upon their lifestyle, that's your right. You can say that you do not believe in gay marriage, many don't. But don't say that they already have the same rights afforded to them as any man and woman married couple because they don't. |
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I gotta say, you're a huge part of the problem. We as a country have got to get beyond this issue of "validity" and "normality" so we can focus on really important things, like increasing college graduation rates, competing with China's industrial productivity, etc. You sound really worked up about this - and what I don't get is what on earth could have possessed you to believe that homosexuality is not valid or normal? Sure, it's a minority disposition, but so is left-handedness and no one (these days anyways) is denying left-handed people their basic rights as citizens of this great country. You say that you know homosexuality is not right, which is a statement of stunning arrogance and overreach. Genetic or chosen - and my sense is that because of the difficulty of ascribing a genetic explanation to something as complicated as sexuality, the jury is still out on this - homosexuality is ammoral, just like heterosexuality. It's about attraction between consenting agents - people who are old enough to understand the implications and consequences of acting on strong emotional feelings. That has nothing to do with good or evil, right or wrong. Simply because you're straight (maybe) and most of your acquaintances are straight (also maybe) doesn't mean that straightness is somehow right and alternatives to straightness wrong. It sounds like you're repulsed by homosexuality; there's something especially fervid in your writing. And it's a real shame that legislation in this country is crafted and voted on by people motivated by physical revulsion. In the end, after the dust in NC has settled, one in ten of your friends is still going to be gay; there are still going to be gay pride parades (more perhaps); and, unless they ban this too, your kids will still be hearing in school that being gay is absolutely fine. Hey, your son might come home from college with a boyfriend one of these days, and you better effing ask him in a nice way how they met. And then you'll die. And your son and his boyfriend will raise a kid - not to be gay but to be herself - and that kid will have other healthy, "normal," productive friends with same-sex parents, and eventually they'll get together and vote all these embarrassing amendments to hell, where you and your hateful neighbors can read them together and reminisce about the good old days when it was okay to deny people full and equal citizen status just because you thought they were gross. |
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I will go on record saying that I support gay marriage and I support the right of people to choose if they want to marry more than one person at a time. Marriage is still about committment. You can commit to more than 1 person, right? I do not support the right of the government to legislate family values. |
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Marriage, when it comes to the government, has nothing to do with love. It is simply a contract that two people make with the government to define rights and benefits. Any two people that are willing to give rights to visit each other in the hospital, share health insurance, and file taxes jointly should be allowed to get a marriage license. Any "love" involved is up to the couple and has nothing to do with the government. Don't read any more into it. No one is telling your church what to do. Saying marriage should only be between a man and a woman is like saying only a man and a woman should be allowed to cosign a loan. |
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Yes, it does. The public schools in my state are teaching my children that homosexuality is a normal sexual expression that is as equally valid as heterosexual marriage. That is not true. It's a choice. If people want to choose the homosexual lifestyle, that's their own business and they should not be persecuted or abused for it. But they should not expect society to approve it as a normal way of living. I'm not going to raise my young son and ask him which boys he has a crush on. Or my daughter when she's a teenager and ask her what girl she wants to date. And before you respond by asking how I as a straight guy can make such a claim that it's a choice and how can I possibly know what it feels like to be a homosexual, No, I don't have to be a homosexual to know it's not right any more than I have to be a polygamist or commit incest to know that's not right either.[/quote] Dude, seriously (lol), heterosexual marriage is a choice too. You said homosexuals shouldn't be abused from being gay but in a way, keeping someone from being able to marry the person(s) they love is abuse. You are depriving that person of a chance to do what they want, to truly be happy. Imaging living in a world where 90% of the population were gay and the 10% were straight. If gays legislated that straights couldn't marry because it didn't fit in with their lifestyle. Would you choose to be with a man then? Would that be satisfying to you? Would you be happy living your life not being able to commit publicly to the person you love? There are a lot of straights who condemn homosexuals for their promiscuity, yet we are deprived of the opportunity to legally commit to monogamy. I could choose to marry a woman and then not emotionally commit to her and never have sex with a man, but that is not fair to her or myself. Your statements about not wanting to persecute and abuse gays aren't exactly consistent with your attitudes about homosexuals. It is statements like "But they should not expect society to approve it as a normal way of living" that show you feel that your opinion should dictate how things happen in my life. Why are other people's opinions able to dictate the happiness of gays who want to marry? What gives YOU or any heterosexual that right? Why does everyone have to live like you? |
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I gotta say, you're a huge part of the problem. We as a country have got to get beyond this issue of "validity" and "normality" so we can focus on really important things, like increasing college graduation rates, competing with China's industrial productivity, etc. You sound really worked up about this - and what I don't get is what on earth could have possessed you to believe that homosexuality is not valid or normal? Sure, it's a minority disposition, but so is left-handedness and no one (these days anyways) is denying left-handed people their basic rights as citizens of this great country. You say that you know homosexuality is not right, which is a statement of stunning arrogance and overreach. Genetic or chosen - and my sense is that because of the difficulty of ascribing a genetic explanation to something as complicated as sexuality, the jury is still out on this - homosexuality is ammoral, just like heterosexuality. It's about attraction between consenting agents - people who are old enough to understand the implications and consequences of acting on strong emotional feelings. That has nothing to do with good or evil, right or wrong. Simply because you're straight (maybe) and most of your acquaintances are straight (also maybe) doesn't mean that straightness is somehow right and alternatives to straightness wrong. It sounds like you're repulsed by homosexuality; there's something especially fervid in your writing. And it's a real shame that legislation in this country is crafted and voted on by people motivated by physical revulsion. In the end, after the dust in NC has settled, one in ten of your friends is still going to be gay; there are still going to be gay pride parades (more perhaps); and, unless they ban this too, your kids will still be hearing in school that being gay is absolutely fine. Hey, your son might come home from college with a boyfriend one of these days, and you better effing ask him in a nice way how they met. And then you'll die. And your son and his boyfriend will raise a kid - not to be gay but to be herself - and that kid will have other healthy, "normal," productive friends with same-sex parents, and eventually they'll get together and vote all these embarrassing amendments to hell, where you and your hateful neighbors can read them together and reminisce about the good old days when it was okay to deny people full and equal citizen status just because you thought they were gross.[/quote] ______________________________________________________ ^^^^this...bravo^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you should post more. |
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I support gay marriage. People that want the benefits of being married should be able to make that commitment. I don't believe in common-law partners getting the same benefits as married couples, however. So, I do have a somewhat traditions view of marriage but it makes sense to open the choice to everyone. Also, I don't tend to care who other people want to marry. |