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Jeff Wigand
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/13/2012 4:15PM - in reply to have to agree Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

have to agree wrote:

[quote]Jeff Wigand wrote:

[quote]mmhmmm wrote:

[quote]Jeff Wigand wrote:

[quote]have to agree wrote:
I'm pro family


Who isn't?[/quote]

the fags[/quote]

Actually, that's incorrect.[/quote]

Ok, let the gay guys getting married procreate their own kids. Same with the lesbians. Without stealing kids from the heterosexual couples.[/quote]

Does a married man and woman not constitute a family?
Your Next Bold Move
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/13/2012 6:12PM - in reply to Jeff Wigand Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'm pro family[/quote]

Who isn't?[/quote]

the fags[/quote]

Actually, that's incorrect.[/quote]

Ok, let the gay guys getting married procreate their own kids. Same with the lesbians. Without stealing kids from the heterosexual couples.[/quote]

Does a married man and woman not constitute a family?[/quote]



Unless you are Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt I highly doubt you have adopted NEARLY enough children to fear gay families "stealing" kids from heterosexual couples. Plus, do some research- it's harder to adopt if you're not married. If you're gay and not married, it's even worse
countenance?
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/13/2012 7:56PM - in reply to Your Next Bold Move Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Alright, I haven't read every post on this thread, but I just have a quick question. Why is it that every out of the closet homo acts essentially the same way? They all have this bizarre, cockeyed look on their face, like they open their eyes really wide or something. Their countenance is just stamped on their face.

Anyone know why this is? Are they born with that look?
have to agree
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/13/2012 8:55PM - in reply to The Final Answer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Oppression? Really? I don't care how much a person is oppressed, there is not a need for a public parade displaying your genitals.


The Final Answer wrote:

Einstein, people only shove things like this in your face when you tell them over and over again that they can't do it and that they're so bad. If you treat someone with decency, they won't feel the urge to do this. Keep in mind, though, that the people you see at parades are a small margin of the LGBT community. Not EVERY gay person is at the parades. And there sure are plenty of straight perverts out there, don't even get me started on what some of you filthy fools do in public! Anyway, what you see at the parades is a RESPONSE to oppression. You have no clue what it is like to be oppressed, but if you did, you might understand. Until then, shut up!

[quote]have to agree wrote:

[quote]mmhmmm wrote:

[quote]survey says wrote:

For me, the #1 reason to be against gay marriage is gay pride parades. When I saw the lewd crude behaviors being flaunted publicly, I realized this is no Selma civil rights march. I used to be somewhat sympathetic for the gay rights movement, but not after seeing a gay pride parade with my own eyes. The LBGT community can thank themselves for losing my vote.


Agreed. Virtually anything goes at these filthy, circus freak shows they call "gay pride parades."[/quote]

Have to agree about the gay pride parades. What a pervert show. I'm pro family, but I would never parade down the street with posters and paraphernalia advocating vaginal sex.[/quote][/quote]
bather
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/13/2012 11:48PM - in reply to have to agree Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
All kinds of people do it at nude beaches...show their genitals that is. And the radical displays are a chance to say eff you to protesters. They are really just giving what people expect from them, and people should keep in mind that the percentage who do this is low compared with the gay population. Just my 2 cents.
Mr. Obvious
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/13/2012 11:58PM - in reply to yetanotherchick Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

yetanotherchick wrote:

There are some that appear inherently differentiated, but need not be in theory (for example, a pregnant man should have the same rights as a pregnant woman).


I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the fetus gonna gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?
Darwin's ghost
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 6:37AM - in reply to phamphee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
When Obama said his evolution on gay marriage was complete, was he using an inappropriate term? After all, shouldn't evolution be an ongoing process? There is no end point. So, will his views on gays keep on evolving / changing, or are they truly complete?
Harleymanincville
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 7:41AM - in reply to phamphee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I have also thought a lot about this. I can’t find any reason why to gays should get married. I mean really?

My questions would be:

What about 2 straight people of the same sex getting married? Would that be ok? If they "love" each other… then that should be ok... right? Heck me and my buddy could get married to get all the benefits of marriage, but still live as straight guys.

How does the world as we know it continue to survive with gay marriage? How will the population be stable? If we were made to marry people of the same sex wouldn’t we also be able to give birth.

What about marrying a family member? To me I see no difference…

Come on people really? Marriage is between a man and a woman. If you are gay so be it. That’s your choice, but it is not natural, nor is it normal.

I am not a gay basher... my brother is gay and I love him no matter what. I am a supporter of marriage as it has been in the WORLD since the beginning of time. To take the meaning of marriage out of America is just one more step to this country falling apart.
notBrent.
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 7:51AM - in reply to Harleymanincville Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
How many times has a topic come up, often controversial, and there are well reasoned, level-headed posters exchanging ideas and arguments and then some trolls roll in and decide that they don't want that to continue. They post a few ridiculous posts, most ignore them, but the thread and all of the level-headed ones are punished for it by having the thread wholly deleted. It doesn't bother the troll; they're often getting exactly what they want. So, the board monitors are acting on behalf of some of the trolls and encouraging them.

Please, either police the board or don't. But half-ass policing is punishing the wrong posters.

Damn!
notBrent.
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 7:54AM - in reply to notBrent. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
surprised this thread is still here
adam sandlers avatar
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 8:07AM - in reply to Harleymanincville Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
2 straight guys getting married was the plot of an adam sandler movie. Can't remember how it worked out but they did itbfor insurance benefits. I don't see an issue with this if that is what you want to do. Other situations have made marriage a bigger farce. How about 2 people getting married because they are going to have a baby but don't love each other. Or people marrying for citizenship. The world would still survive if half of the people in the world were married to someone of the opposite sex. But even so, gay marriage would't steal people from straight marriage. If it did there are an awful lot of gays and bisexuals walking who are in the closet. Marriage being between a man and a women is your opinion based on your personal belief system. What is wrongbwith affording your brother thebright to a higher level of happiness if he chose to do so based on HIS belief system? Without giving the unsubstantiated unproven argument that gay marriage degrades society, how would gay marriage make this country fall apart. Exposure to gays doesn't make people gay. It doesn't degrade family values because people who want families can still have families and i have yet to see anything credible that suggests being raised by 2 gay parents makes a child more likely to be gay.


Harleymanincville wrote:

I have also thought a lot about this. I can’t find any reason why to gays should get married. I mean really?

My questions would be:

What about 2 straight people of the same sex getting married? Would that be ok? If they "love" each other… then that should be ok... right? Heck me and my buddy could get married to get all the benefits of marriage, but still live as straight guys.

How does the world as we know it continue to survive with gay marriage? How will the population be stable? If we were made to marry people of the same sex wouldn’t we also be able to give birth.

What about marrying a family member? To me I see no difference…

Come on people really? Marriage is between a man and a woman. If you are gay so be it. That’s your choice, but it is not natural, nor is it normal.

I am not a gay basher... my brother is gay and I love him no matter what. I am a supporter of marriage as it has been in the WORLD since the beginning of time. To take the meaning of marriage out of America is just one more step to this country falling apart.
Harleymanincville
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 8:08AM - in reply to notBrent. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I was just expressing my views on the subject. Im sorry if I offended you or the original poster. I thought my questions were very valid... I didnt know you had to support gay marriage to post a comment on the subject.

A troll Im not.. Im a traditional man that loves his family and children.

notBrent. wrote:

How many times has a topic come up, often controversial, and there are well reasoned, level-headed posters exchanging ideas and arguments and then some trolls roll in and decide that they don't want that to continue. They post a few ridiculous posts, most ignore them, but the thread and all of the level-headed ones are punished for it by having the thread wholly deleted. It doesn't bother the troll; they're often getting exactly what they want. So, the board monitors are acting on behalf of some of the trolls and encouraging them.

Please, either police the board or don't. But half-ass policing is punishing the wrong posters.

Damn!
Lyndon Larouche
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 8:12AM - in reply to adam sandlers avatar Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Harleymanincville wrote:
If you are gay so be it. That’s your choice, but it is not natural, nor is it normal.




Its natural, it is normal, and it has been for as long as humans have walked the earth.
dsf45
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 8:24AM - in reply to playsfortheotherteam Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
As Jesus said about homosexuals, "............"
adam sandlers avatar
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 8:25AM - in reply to Harleymanincville Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Though i disagree with you i didn't consider for one second you were trolling and you didn't say anything that i thought would be offensive. He may have just replied to your post but was talking about someine else...like the "fag semen" guy. I am glad you love your family but your brother can't have that family unless he pretends to be someone he isn't...and i think that should bother you. Have you discussed gay marriage with your brother?


Harleymanincville wrote:

I was just expressing my views on the subject. Im sorry if I offended you or the original poster. I thought my questions were very valid... I didnt know you had to support gay marriage to post a comment on the subject.

A troll Im not.. Im a traditional man that loves his family and children.[quote]notBrent. wrote:

How many times has a topic come up, often controversial, and there are well reasoned, level-headed posters exchanging ideas and arguments and then some trolls roll in and decide that they don't want that to continue. They post a few ridiculous posts, most ignore them, but the thread and all of the level-headed ones are punished for it by having the thread wholly deleted. It doesn't bother the troll; they're often getting exactly what they want. So, the board monitors are acting on behalf of some of the trolls and encouraging them.

Please, either police the board or don't. But half-ass policing is punishing the wrong posters.

Damn!
[/quote]
Jeff Wigand
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 8:27AM - in reply to Harleymanincville Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Harleymanincville wrote:
What about 2 straight people of the same sex getting married? Would that be ok? If they "love" each other… then that should be ok... right? Heck me and my buddy could get married to get all the benefits of marriage, but still live as straight guys.


How is this different from a man and woman getting married without having any romantic interest? This happens all the time for immigration benefits, or a couple that has lost romantic interest stays married for financial reasons. Your scenario is no different.


Harleymanincville wrote:
How does the world as we know it continue to survive with gay marriage? How will the population be stable? If we were made to marry people of the same sex wouldn’t we also be able to give birth.


Who is making you marry a member of the same sex? How will making same-sex marriage equal standing with heterosexual marriage have any bearing on procreation?


Harleymanincville wrote:
What about marrying a family member? To me I see no difference…


If you're consenting adults, have fun.


Harleymanincville wrote:
Come on people really? Marriage is between a man and a woman.


Says who? Are two men married in Toronto not married? As has been stated, gay relationships and marriages were apart of many Native American cultures long before the arrival of European culture. Besides, people took the same position as you when it came to interracial marriage: that it was detrimental to society and should be discouraged.


Harleymanincville wrote:
If you are gay so be it. That’s your choice


Is it your choice to be straight? If you were offered $100 million, could you be attracted to the same sex? I'm not speaking about doing something for money, but to actually be attracted to the same sex.

We make choices in our actions but cannot choose what our attractions or desires are.


Harleymanincville wrote:
but it is not natural, nor is it normal.


Homosexuality has been shown as a natural part of many species of animal, including humans and most other primates. We've even been able to idientify similarities between the brain of homosexuals of one sex and heterosexuals of the opposite sex.


Harleymanincville wrote:
I am not a gay basher... my brother is gay and I love him no matter what. I am a supporter of marriage as it has been in the WORLD since the beginning of time.


Were you unaware that marriage has not simply been between men and women in all places in the world at all times?
notBrent.
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 8:41AM - in reply to Harleymanincville Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
[quote]Harleymanincville wrote:

I was just expressing my views on the subject. Im sorry if I offended you or the original poster. I thought my questions were very valid... I didnt know you had to support gay marriage to post a comment on the subject.

A troll Im not.. Im a traditional man that loves his family and children.[quote]

No, no, no!!! I'm sorry! That wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular (well, at the moderator like person that arbitrarily deletes entire threads just because a troll shows up, thereby screwing others over). I was just venting over a very interesting and though provoking thread over abortion that was deleted.

Anyway, I apologize to you. You just happened to be the last person before I pasted this in here and I hit the reply button on your post. This was a copy/paste from a new thread I just posted that was very quickly deleted, and aimed at the stupid, random, inconsistent moderation policy.
Racehorse
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 8:58AM - in reply to Jeff Wigand Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Jeff Wigand wrote:

[quote]no wrote:

1 man + 1 woman = 1 marriage


Fifty years ago, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, the definition had race attached to it.[/quote]

Is your point that nothing we consider to be correct at any given time can one day be considered wrong? That is one slippery slope. The same fifty years ago, we decided that divorce should be granted for any reason. Are you saying that this is a good idea? I think sometimes we change laws because of stupidity, not because the old law was wrong. Take it one step further: in fifty years, will we say that laws against pedophilia were discriminatory? I sure hope not!
Racehorse
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 9:01AM - in reply to playsfortheotherteam Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I would guess that more people know than you think know.




playsfortheotherteam wrote:

That's easy to answer. Noone knows we are a couple. Everyone knows we are best friends, but noone knows that we have sex. We may have some friends that may assume that, but it is not talked about. I don't have any gay friends. He had some acquaintances that were gay before we met but not close enough for them to recognize us as a couple. Both of us are closeted, even to his children, though I think they suspect something deeper, they probably won't ask dad who he is having sex with. I do have one friend from college who knows, but that is all. At this point I wouldn't care if people found out, it is just noone's business. I don't discuss their sexual relationships with family and friends, and I don't plan on discussing mine. I feel accepted as far as how people see us. When we go places I don't worry about people seeing us together and know or thinking we are a couple, but if we were out as a couple, I would stand to lose contact with with some siblings, probably parents, and it would be devasting for my career.

[quote]wondering.... wrote:

How does the community treat you two knowing you are a gay couple? Your families? Your friends? Your co-workers? I'm just wondering how you found acceptance.

[quote]playsfortheotherteam wrote:

Like me, my partner knew he was gay at an early age. Also not molested, had a normal life with mom and dad. He was married for about 8 years and they had 2 kids. He knew he was gay all along but did what people expected of him. Ultimately it was his wife that ended it. She cheated on him. He said he enjoyed being married and having a family but ultimately he was emotionally unfulfilled in their marriage.

I think a lot of people are in the same boat. They do what is expected thinking they will ultimately be happy. A lot of married men end up cheating with women or other men (check out your local craigslist). If society were more accepting, a lot of these marriages would never happen in the first place and a lot of people wouldn't get hurt. Women and men wouldn't waste years of their lives on someone who can't fully be emotionally available.
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Racehorse
RE: Is it wrong to not support gay marriage? 5/14/2012 9:31AM - in reply to Mort Asplundt Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Mort Asplundt wrote:

There is more at play in the "gay marriage" fight than simply granting the status of "marriage" to a union between two people of the same sex. The union, itself, by the way, is already legal and is called a civil union.

There is a reflexive resistance in people to the thuggery of the leftist mob that goes beyond any resistance to gay marriage, per say. I believe the overwhelming resistance to gay marriage in the country as expressed through voting results is more a push-back against the heavy-handed leftist push to dismantle and remake the culture at every turn than it is an absolute revulsion with two gay people getting married.

This blurb from the Wall Street Journal illustrates my point: "After California voters approved Proposition 8 banning same-sex marriage in 2008, opponents published the names of donors, who were later linked with zip codes and Google Maps. Donors reported getting death threats. Boycotts were set against businesses, and activists encouraged customers to call and harass business owners."

This sort of leftist thuggery seems pervasive in today's American landscape and people are getting increasingly fed up with it. Likewise, people are tired of having their religious faith and their values system mocked and derided as bigoted and utterly anachronistic. Ergo, when the gay marriage vote "comes to a voting booth near you," I feel a lot of people are eager for an opportunity to say "back off" to the leftist mob.



Makes sense to me.
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