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| Augusto E. Perez |
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At what point will you achieve a sinless life? One thing I don't really understand is the cafeteria attitude taken towards what is expected of Christians as per the Bible. Christians will often invoke Leviticus when speaking out against homosexuality, but then reject most of the other passages in Leviticus (selling daughters into slavery, for example) as being out of place with modern society. Often, the retort is that the New Testament takes priority, and that Paul is clear on the prohibition of homosexual activity (his statements on the place of women and slaves are less frequently touted). But then, why don't Christians follow Jewish dietary laws or circumcise their sons, since Jesus is quite clear in Matthew 5:17-20:
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| eleanor |
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I'm glad you mentioned the 1st stone story, because that's the passage where Jesus says to the woman caught committing adultery to “go now and leave your life of sin.” That's my entire point in writing these three posts. People love to focus on the 'Jesus loves you part of the bible,' but they completely neglect the many passages of His strong words about sinning. To do so is to align yourself with the false prophets. See James 1:19, 2 Peter 2 What bible verses do you have for me? |
| eleanor |
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should be James 1:19-23 |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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Do you really think she left her life of sin. Can you? If you can't, how could she. Jesus wants us to leave our sin because he loves is, but lets face it, he knows how we are. He knows eleanor will continue to be self righteous eventhough she knows she shouldn't be.
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| The Monk |
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Mate looks like you've got some serious issues. I truly feel sorry for you. I'd recommend you visit a counsellor before you end up in a nut house. |
| md5 |
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+1 to this guy! You summed it up much better than I did. The very same arguments for gay marriage work for incest. So why AREN'T two consenting adults with vasectomies allowed to do it? Because 99% of the population thinks it's immoral? Tough crap -- they should have their rights too. |
| eleanor |
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From briefly looking up in the bible I found that she was one of those who Jesus appeared to after his death. She was weeping before she saw him & then went & told the disciples she saw him. I gather from this that she believed in Christ & therefore became a Christian sometime earlier. She took on Jesus sinless life through faith in him. She had a change in her view of sin. She wanted to sin no more & she had help from the spirit to sin no more. I know it sounds sunday schoolish, but if a Christian has to believe that the Holy Spirit empowers them to sin no more. That is how Christ lived a sinless life. So yes I could go on to sin no more. Will I? No, I know myself. By Mary's faith she made herself righteous. But part of that faith is believing Christ's words. It's up to you, whether deep down inside you think same self attraction is wrong. It's something you're dealing with & may continue to wrestle with. (I don't have to tell you that.) |
| Uncle Pervy unlogged |
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What?? This is too stupid of a statement to let slide. First you butchered the spelling of her name. It's Magdalene. Where does it say that she committed sexual sin & Jesus loved her? Jesus forgave people, but he told them to “Go now and leave your life of sin.” That's the key. STOP SINNING. Homosexual behavior can be forgiven, but then you need to stop sinning. In other words, stop practicing homosexuality.[/quote] Anyone who quotes a book of fairy tales as the basis of an argument should be living in Afghanistan with the rest of the religious fanatics. |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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I am totally cool with being gay. Thanks for your concern.
From briefly looking up in the bible I found that she was one of those who Jesus appeared to after his death. She was weeping before she saw him & then went & told the disciples she saw him. I gather from this that she believed in Christ & therefore became a Christian sometime earlier. She took on Jesus sinless life through faith in him. She had a change in her view of sin. She wanted to sin no more & she had help from the spirit to sin no more. I know it sounds sunday schoolish, but if a Christian has to believe that the Holy Spirit empowers them to sin no more. That is how Christ lived a sinless life. So yes I could go on to sin no more. Will I? No, I know myself. By Mary's faith she made herself righteous. But part of that faith is believing Christ's words. It's up to you, whether deep down inside you think same self attraction is wrong. It's something you're dealing with & may continue to wrestle with. (I don't have to tell you that.)[/quote] |
| kl234 |
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[quote]playsfortheotherteam wrote: I am totally cool with being gay. Thanks for your concern. [quote]playsfortheotherteam wrote: I am cool with you being gay too, but guess what? It doesn't matter because you don't need anyone's approval to live you life the way you see fit as long as you are not harming anyone. Enjoy life and enjoy being who you are! |
| dean moriarty |
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I can never figure out what the anti-gay marriage crowd is so worried about. My neighbors growing up could have been complete freaks in bed with each other, I never would have known. I can barely keep track of the relationship statuses of my friends, why would I care if two strangers get married and live down the street? If they want to, go for it, and you could never make me care. Opposing civil rights always makes you look like a goon ten years later. Name a civil rights movement in American History that you wish you could have opposed. Slim pickings. |
| Trollist |
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Two-Spirit* |
| Augusto E. Perez |
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From briefly looking up in the bible I found that she was one of those who Jesus appeared to after his death. She was weeping before she saw him & then went & told the disciples she saw him. I gather from this that she believed in Christ & therefore became a Christian sometime earlier. She took on Jesus sinless life through faith in him. She had a change in her view of sin. She wanted to sin no more & she had help from the spirit to sin no more. I know it sounds sunday schoolish, but if a Christian has to believe that the Holy Spirit empowers them to sin no more. That is how Christ lived a sinless life. So yes I could go on to sin no more. Will I? No, I know myself. By Mary's faith she made herself righteous. But part of that faith is believing Christ's words. It's up to you, whether deep down inside you think same self attraction is wrong. It's something you're dealing with & may continue to wrestle with. (I don't have to tell you that.)[/quote] What happened with Mary Magdalene going to Jesus’ body? As Bart Ehrman points out, in John 20:1, Mary Magdalene alone visits the tomb, while it’s Mary Magdalene and “another” Mary in Matthew 28:1, and then it’s Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Salome in Mark 16:1, or was it Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna and “some other women” as in Luke? And what happened when she or they were there? In Mark, the stone was already rolled away upon their arrival, or did an angel move it in their presence as in Matthew? They see the aforementioned angel in Matthew, a “young man” in Mark, two men in Luke, or no one, as Mary Magdalene is said to have witnessed in John (again, she is the sole witness in John). Can you see some of the issues in using a text like this on which to base legislation that effects the entire country? Paul says that old laws are done and that he is not ruled by the Laws of Moses (1 Corinthians 9:20) but Jesus says that not even the smallest part of the Law shall pass, and that whoever annuls one of the least of the commandments and teaches others to do so shall be called least in the kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 5:17-20). Which is it? Besides, majority rule doesn’t seem like the way to legislate on moral issues that don’t harm anyone, certainly in this country. If 100 years from now, Indian immigrants surge, making Hinduism the majority religion in the US, I don't think you would you approve of outlawing consumption of beef. |
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Your newspoll is indeed a fact, a poll conducted by the media. The facts I am using is that every single state that has had a referendum regarding gay marriage has voted against gay marriage. We all know that people for gay marriage are very proactive about it and can safely assume so much they have a large voter turnout. Yet, it still gets voted down. Look at NC's vote. Even though people feel it will disrupt heterosexual non-married coouples, they still voted against gay marriage. The voting majority CLEARLY is against it, and that speaks louder actions than the news poll you refer to.
While the right just makes up "facts" to try and marginalize the "whackos on the left". You state that the majority seems to be against gay marriage - yet, I just saw on the news an hour ago a poll stating that 52% of Americans support gay marriage and 46% do not with the rest undecided. Last time I checked, 52% would be considered a majority opinion. Way to make things up to support your own opinion.[/quote] |
| Jeff Wigand |
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In what circumstances should the majority get to decide the rights of minorities? Should North Carolina (or any other state) be allowed to ban miscegenation if a majority wishes it? |
| seriously dude |
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Inhumane? Is this what we are saying now, that it is not only a violation of civil rights, but actually inhumane? Of all of the "inhumane" and social injustice issues faced in the US and the world, is this really the most inhumane thing going on? If there are other things which are more "inhumane" than the marriage status of two people, why the heck aren't people in-your-face about it like they are regarding gay marriage? No women are allowed to join Augusta National Golf club. Is this INHUMANE to women? Are women actually suffering because of this, like they would be if the government was preventing them from working and they were homeless? No. I think the word INHUMANE is just another example of how the left tries to twist the public's view of what gay rights is. Unmarried unrelated people, gay or straight, CAN visit each other in the hospital and can work on financial documents together. How? Power of attorney, both medical and financial. One last example using a hypothetical situation. My brother Dave works for a major hotel chain and gets a 20% family discount. I stayed at his resort once, and was really upset because they would not give me the family discount. I explained how we are brothers, but just because we did not share a common ancestor, they did not give me a discount. We may not be brothers in the "traditional" sense, since we have two different parents and have no overlap in our ancestry dating back to the 1600's at least, but I still consider him my brother. I feel that it is discriminatory to me that my definition of "brother" is a male that I am close to and grew up with (knowing each other since we were neighbors at the age of 6). My mother could not medically have another child after me, even though she really wanted one, so I did not have an opportunity to have a sibling, and I have considered Dave my brother. Why am I being DISCRIMINATED against and not getting my family discount? Just because a brother is "traditionally" viewed as somebody who is related to me by blood, I think our society's view of the word "brother" should be DIFFERENT, and I was "born that way" (since my mother could not have another child), so I think it is a violation of my civil rights not to be allowed to have a brother and receive the financial benefits that come from doing so.
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| Barakus Obama |
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It seems to me you are avoiding the logical arguments FOR gay marriage. Marriage never was about man and woman, it was about love. Secondly, why do (like certain individuals in here have mentioned) people care about swearing? It's just silly words that means absolutely nothing. "Hell" is the name of a place that probably don't exist. And wether it does or not, why would anyone care if you mention that place? It seems to me that you and others who agree with you base your opinions on fear of change. Insecurity is the key word here. |
| Jeff Wigand |
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Do you not see the difference between the policies of a private club or business as opposed to the government? Augusta is a private club and can set their own membership rules so long as they don't mandate of encourage unlawful behavior. But it's an entirely different matter if, for example, the Energy Department decides that it will not hire any women. Do you see the difference? |
| sminkia |
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You can't repent of something you're proud of. |
| seriously dude |
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Okay, so is there any government business which specifically does not hire gay individuals right now? Can a private business not hire somebody because they are gay, and then not be sued for it? So, if Augusta National decided not to let somebody in because they were gay, the gay community would just say "okay, that's fine, it is a private organization after all" and not make a big deal about it? Gay people can work, they can sit on the front of the bus, use public restrooms, own a house, vote, and do the same things heterosexual people do. |