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| playsfortheotherteam |
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There are millions of people in this country in the same boat doing the exact same thing. I am for gay marriage but I myself feel it to be an obsolete institution, but people should be allowed to marry if they want. I am all for people coming out if it is the right decision for them. At this time, it is not the right decision for me. Maybe in the future, who knows. Maybe I need more personal courage, but everyone who comes out will say you have to do it on your own terms when you are ready. My life would not change for the better if I were out, that I can guarantee. |
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I also have to say that this is not only my decision. I could come out to my family who live mostly hundreds of miles away and have it not affect my partner, but largely it would affect him if other people in my life knew. If it happens, it will have to be a decision we are both ready for as it will affect the both of us.
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| is god necessary? |
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The problem is that homosexuality is a psycho-sexual aberration. It is not natural and does not lead to procreation. However, it is on the same level as any other psychological issues people may have. There is a fundamental block to normal sexual expression and this has been put in place during development, usually by parental attitudes. This fact that it is not natural is what many people have against it. So how does this link to the Christian church? It damn well doesn't but the church is still attempting to retain control over the institution of marriage, which has developed well beyond it's origins and is now filly codified in law. The answer is to decouple marriage and religion and allow marriage to be seen as a purely social structure. This way gay people can get what they want, the normalcy of being able to do what everyone else does ie get married, plus gain all of the social and economic benefits being married brings with it. |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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Does this post state the current position of the American Psychological Association? I appreciate that you are seem okay with gay marriage but variations exist in human behavior that have no basis on environmental impact. I come from a large family. Why are my brothers and sisters straight and I am not? Same parents, same rearing, same values. Why can't people accept that you can be born gay? As stated before, both my partner and I have no issues with overbearing mothers, distant fathers or molestation.
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| is god necessary? |
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I'm ok with most things. What you raise there is the one question i've never been able to find a satisfactory answer to. Hardwired gay people. I know they exist as at least one of my friends claims he is such and has well argued the fact with me. Born gay seems to be real, but i'm not quite sold on the fact. So, how does this work do you know? |
| stater of obviousness |
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Because if you let yourself believe that you could be born that way, you would have to admit to yourself that you've been living a lie. Oh sure, you'll deny it, but your insistence on homosexuality being learned is very consistent with someone who's trying hard to unlearn it. So good luck with that. |
| yetanotherdude |
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Women have the right to marry men. Men don't have the right to marry men. That's straight up gender discrimination.[/quote] I as a straight man am denied the right to marry a man. A gay man is denied the right to marry a man. Doesn't matter if we're straight or gay, as men we're denied from marrying other men. That's straight up gender equality. |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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While i get what you are trying to do, gender equality is really about women being on equal terms with men, not men being on equal terms with men.
Women have the right to marry men. Men don't have the right to marry men. That's straight up gender discrimination.[/quote] I as a straight man am denied the right to marry a man. A gay man is denied the right to marry a man. Doesn't matter if we're straight or gay, as men we're denied from marrying other men. That's straight up gender equality.[/quote] |
| The Final Answer |
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I am gay. It is not what I would have chosen for myself, but I was born that way. Those who are straight don't understand and can never understand. There is nothing wrong with who I am. What is wrong is for other people who don't understand to try to take away my basic rights. I pay taxes just like everyone else, and I am no criminal. I deserve my rights. My rights should not be up for a public vote. You straight monsters have no damn clue what it is like. Imagine for a minute, someone else deciding to take away your rights. Saying they don't like who you are, so let's have a vote on which rights you can have. Can you even imagine this? This is what you horrible monsters are doing to innocent people who don't hurt anyone. You should feel ashamed. So, bottom line here is that your views do not matter. Who cares what you think, or what you support? You don't have the right to take away other people's rights, or to force your beliefs on others. Be a human being for a change. |
| The Answer is Tolerance |
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At my job at a defense company we have people from all over the world I work with. You have to learn to appreciate, at times travel on airliners, and work daily with gays, Muslims, Chinese, Jews, Afro-Americans, etc. I've been stared at many times travelling with Jewish colleagues wearing yamakules, with gay male colleges with dyed pink hair, with Arab women colleagues with hijab, Iranians with customary hats reading Koran, etc. At my job, you have to live and let live and respect the human rights of others, or you will be fired. It's that simple. Tolerate others or get another job. That's why I don't understand how states can use propostions to promote hatred toward others lifestyles or religions. I think it's barbaric to deny gays their right to marry. I think it's barbaric for the U.S. to steal Muslim homes and real estate in Jerusalem and reallocate to European Jews. I think it's barbaric for city governments and churches to block Mosques from being built. |
| seriously dude |
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That is absolutely fantastic that you are tolerant of Muslims. If we can help them to build more mosques, then I am sure they will certainly help create more awareness about how gays should be considered equal and be allowed to marry, correct? The Muslim religion is very liberal when it comes to gay marriage, right? They allow gay marriages to take place within their mosques regularly, right? My workplace wouldn't give me benefits for an entire year once. People I worked with didn't particularly get along with me and didn't accept my lifestyle as a distance runner and didn't give me the time I needed to pursue happiness the way I wanted to. I thought that was very "barbaric" also.
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| playsfortheotherteam |
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Horrible analogy. Not only is it probably not true but if it were, you choose to be a distance runner. As for the other poster regarding tolerance, you need to understand the real answer is acceptance of people who are different, not just tolerance. |
| do you think... |
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Don't you think it's harder for a woman & man to get along, connect emotionally? After all, they are very different people. Seems like a committed relationship between a man & woman requires a lot of understanding, patience, & love. Are you able to foster close friendships with women? Do you find you have more in common with another man? Is it different connecting emotionally with another man because you have some of the same instinctive tendencies? We, as humans, tend to like people who are like us.
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| Paradoxical |
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This issue is quite a contradiction for many of those that are vehemently against gay marriage. Many of these same people talk about small government and individual liberties, yet at the same time they want to impose on others by preventing the freedom for people of the same sex to get married. It just seems like one heck of a contradiction to me. |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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I know people of all types have a difficult time connecting emotionally. I enjoyed the women I dated as friends, but never had any sexual attaction to them and never bonded with them. I dated my last girlfriend for 7 months. We would make out, she would put my hands on her breasts but I never became aroused. When she broke up with me, I thought, ok. No sadness, nothing. I assumed or hoped attraction and bonding would develop, but it never did. This is different that just having something in common with people. You know that difference when you give an old friend a hug versus the feeling you get when you hug someone your are in love with? Thats the difference. You can't choose it. [/quote] |
| against gay marriage |
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I think it's barbaric to normalize homosexuality so it's taught as normal in the public schools. My rights as a straight American are being trampled on by the LBGT people. I pay taxes which support these public schools and homosexuality should not be taught as if it's normal. It should be accepted and tolerated, but not normalized. |
| Jeff Wigand |
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People thought it barbaric to normalize interracial relationships so that it was taught at public schools. They felt their rights as Americans were being trampled on by integrationists. They paid taxes which supported the public schools and believed that interracial relationships should not be taught as if they were normal. |
| Yet another lurker |
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Comparing sexual orientation with ethnicity and sex (as gender is social construct) is disingenuous at best. Orientation is a choice. |
| Jeff Wigand |
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How did you choose yours? What would persuade you to change your choice? |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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I pay taxes too, probably more than you. What makes your rights more important than mine?
I think it's barbaric to normalize homosexuality so it's taught as normal in the public schools. My rights as a straight American are being trampled on by the LBGT people. I pay taxes which support these public schools and homosexuality should not be taught as if it's normal. It should be accepted and tolerated, but not normalized.[/quote] |