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| playsfortheotherteam |
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Wow. You need a history lesson. The Antideluvian world was not destroyed because of homosexuality but sin in general...like the sin of hatred you so blantantly display. Mary Magdelin committed sexual sin yet Jesus loved her. You stating events in the old testament is meaningless because they only point to the need for a savior. Jesus is love. His blood covers all sin for those who believe...both yours and mine. You think you are sin free? Think again. You think your sin is any more repugnant than mine? Think again. Think!
Examples?[/quote] Start with the entire Antediluvian world. The Roman Empire -- Caesar himself was a fag.[/quote] |
| Mrs. M |
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[quote]playsfortheotherteam wrote: I am gay. I personally have no interest in getting married but would like the government and other entities to recognize partner rights in civil unions. Gays want to get married to show commitment, for tax benefits, and to have legal rights with end if life decisions and other things. Though i personally see no point in marriage aside from legal rights, i HATE that the government is trying to legislate marriage. Marriage is typically a religious ceremony performed in a church. If 2 men or 2 women can find a church to perform this ceremony, why does the government have any say? Isn't there a seperation between church and state? The concept of marriage was originally to show committment to family and friends in the eyes if God. The effen federal and state governments need to stoo trampling on our rights. If i did choose to marry, would it harm anyone? Would it diminish your marriage? No...and certainly not more that the 50% divorce rate diminishes the value of your marriage. [quote] ^^^^THIS^^^^^ |
| phamphee |
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I suppose this thread turned into what I should have expected. I guess there are just some things I will never understand. It would be far from the end of my world if gay marriage were to be legalized, I just view it as another step further away from a time where ANYTHING meant ANYTHING. Everything is just becoming homogenized and meaningless in the name of defending the feelings of different groups of feelings. It just seems like the only way for no one to feel bad is for no one to feel anything. |
| unlawfully read |
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If you cannot find an objection to gay marriage that is not derived from the Bible, then you are not allowed to make laws regarding it. That would be the state making a law regarding religion, expressly forbidden in the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. |
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Yeah, i mean now women can vote, and blacks can drink from my water fountain. WTF? I am glad that gays will not be able to enjoy the freedoms those other groups do. |
| Jeff Wigand |
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The problem is that you think that marriage has "always been" between a man and woman when it hasn't and that your discomfort isn't a basis for legislation. I assume you're unaware of of the concept of Two-People in Native American societies? Again, do you think it's right that an 18 year old can marry a 92 year old? Are you comfortable with it? |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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I really respected your original post as it was obviously honest and void of any hatred. I hate that marriage doesn't mean more. Especially when kids are involved but at the current state, the arguments against don't hold much water because of the high failure rates. Thanks for starting this thread.
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Okay. I am a d-bag. I realize now i am wrong...and boy do i love the men! |
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While i don't agree with gay marriage, the Biblical comments are way off base. Sin is sin apart from how society views it. Our sins of pride, selfishness, etc. grieve God just as much as homosexuality. No one human is better than another in God's eyes except through His saving grace. He is plentious in mercy & slow to anger with all Christians. If He chose to punish us according to our sins, mankind would not still exist. God is not like us. He is able to forgive & grant mercy in a supernatural way. I, for one, am thankful for that. Really, stop the hating on gays & get your facts straight please. |
| agnab |
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[quote]seriously dude wrote: If people really care about civil rights the way they claim they do, they would be very proactively standing up for women oppressed in certain religions, women sold into sex slavery, children forced to work in sweatshops, children forced to join militant groups overseas, and such. Those people are truly suffering, moreso than Americans who do not receive the financial or social benefits of marriage. But no, the big thing everybody tries to support is gay marriage, instead of real social justice and equity. ^This. Horrific rape and violence > tax breaks for gay people |
| Goldenboy |
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While the right just makes up "facts" to try and marginalize the "whackos on the left". You state that the majority seems to be against gay marriage - yet, I just saw on the news an hour ago a poll stating that 52% of Americans support gay marriage and 46% do not with the rest undecided. Last time I checked, 52% would be considered a majority opinion. Way to make things up to support your own opinion. |
| Tizzygizzard |
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To the OP: I admire the fact that you are approaching such a heated debate in a calm an rational fashion. Though I disagree with your point of view, I feel like you have a right to express your opinion. It seems to me that the reason you feel so demonized for not supporting gay marriage has to do with the loud and angry people who share your side of the argument. Just look at some of the replies this thread has generated. Even I you don't hate homosexuals and want them all to burn in hell, your point of view is always going to be tethered to this kind of hate speech. For a long time I thought this argument was idiotic. Marriage, in my view, was a religious ceremony. Period. It seemed odd that homosexuals wanted so badly to take part in the rituals of an institution that almost universally condemns their lifestyle. But I believe that the bottom line is live and let live. If other people get together and want to call themselves a married couple then they should be able to do so. Regardless of thier race, religion, sexuality, etc. Remember that the concept of marriage has roots in cultures all a cross the globe, and is much older than christianity. The very fact that we can translate the word marriage into so many languages should prove that the idea is bigger than religion. It may be hard to accept certain behavior that you see as immoral, but So long as no one is harmed as a result why should you feel you need to stop it? As far as the homosexual community "shoving this in you face," remember that they didn't choose to make this a national issue. States that ban gay marriage are at fault here. They are the ones who thrust the issue into the national spotlight. If you take any group of people and try to treat them differently through legislation they will speak out. Especially in a country with a rich history of protest and social change like America. I am not gay or religious. Nor do I belong to any minority. But, if someone were to single me out for something and create laws dictating what I am alowed to do because of a group that I'm a part of I would be very upset. I can't imagine NOT taking to the streets and trying to achieve equality. |
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Serious question. Why is incest outlawed? If two consenting adults want to have a committed sexual relationship and there is no possibility of bearing children (say, the guy has had a vasectomy), why aren't they allowed to marry? 99% of Americans are against such an incestuous marriage, yet whatever serious response they give to this incest issue is the same reason that gay marriage should not be allowed. And to clarify that I'm not trolling by stating this response, there are two recent public court cases in the U.S. involving this kind of incestuous situation. |
| Wossamotta |
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There are gay and lesbian couples who've lived together for 20 or 30 years and would now like to have the right to be married. It's inhumane to deny them that. It affects your own life and own relationships not one bit at all. |
| eleanor |
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What?? This is too stupid of a statement to let slide. First you butchered the spelling of her name. It's Magdalene. Where does it say that she committed sexual sin & Jesus loved her? Jesus forgave people, but he told them to “Go now and leave your life of sin.” That's the key. STOP SINNING. Homosexual behavior can be forgiven, but then you need to stop sinning. In other words, stop practicing homosexuality. |
| Augusto E. Perez |
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What?? This is too stupid of a statement to let slide. First you butchered the spelling of her name. It's Magdalene. Where does it say that she committed sexual sin & Jesus loved her? Jesus forgave people, but he told them to “Go now and leave your life of sin.” That's the key. STOP SINNING. Homosexual behavior can be forgiven, but then you need to stop sinning. In other words, stop practicing homosexuality.[/quote] Have you stopped sinning, Eleanor? |
| eleanor |
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No I haven't stopped sinning, but when I sin I feel guilty about it & ask for repentance. With help I am trying to sin no more. There's a difference between my view of sin & people who carry out same sex attractions. Some think they haven't sinned and therefore are not attempting to stop their actions or ask for forgiveness. |
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Seriously, Eleanor? You give Christ & christianity a bad name. Is this really the main thing? I bet you're one of those joyless Christians that likes to see everyone else's imperfections & capitalize on them. That's so not Christ-like. Christ has compassion, mercy, forgiveness to us. Shouldn't that give us reason to be the same to others? Your method of confrontation is really offensive, not credible, & not very effective. |
| atrrunner |
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(responding to the op, not the above poster) There is a difference between thinking someone should not do something, and saying they should not be allowed to. I don't think people should be Mormon, but I don't want to make their religion unlawful or prevent them from marrying. Whether gays can marry doesn't affect your opinion on gay marriage--it really doesn't affect you at all. |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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Actually eleanor, i don't believe homosexualityvis wrong. I have no guilt so according to biblical standards it is not a sin for me as "whatever is not of faith is sin". And if it were sin and i tried to stop and failed, and did so repeatedly, that would put me on the same playing field as you. I tell you eleanor, stop sinning....bet if i check with you in a yeae you are still a sinner. Lot of good that did. You can't stop sinning because you are human. That is why the sacrifice of Christ is so great. You eleanor will always be a sinner, just like me. You can't tell me to stop anymore than i can tell you to stop, so get over yourself you self righteous nutjob. Oh, btw, 7 devils were cast out of mary magdelene. She was possessed. If you want to think there was no sexual sin associated with this then that is your choice. |