Big East men's 10K -- won in 33:06!!!?!

tactical? poor weather conditions?

it was pretty hot in tampa and the early laps were practically walked. dont have splits though

I recall Lumbar being a 14:xx XC 5k guy back in high school. Obviously a tactical race in horrible conditions.

10sleep wrote:

Huh? WTF?

1. Mark Dennin, JR GEORGETOWN - 33:06.47

2. Robert Molke, JR SYRACUSE - 33:07.07

3. TC Lumbar, SR GEORGETOWN - 33:08.76

Hey, the top seed in the Ivy League meet is only a few seconds faster than that...

Oh, wait--you mean men?

I was out running in Tampa a bit before the race time and I felt good and was running relatively quickly, but I was sweating like a pig. It was still hot and very humid. Really quite poor conditions. QT was sub 31, so it was slow because it was tactical and conditions were lousy for a 10k.

The Big 10 meet next week will be unerwhelming. You got Ahmed with a 27:34. The other Minnesota African won't even try in that race. He won

t waste the energy. The rest of the field will slug around. They will be over 16:00 at 5k.

Conference meets. No one really cares. They used to. Now its all about hitting the big time at Stanford and if not saving it for the Regional meet.

break it up wrote:

Conference meets. No one really cares. They used to. Now its all about hitting the big time at Stanford and if not saving it for the Regional meet.

The one exception I know of: the Heps (Ivy) meet, starting tomorrow in Phil. The 10,000 is tomorrow. Yeah, most of the guys entered in it are also entered in events on Sunday, but I doubt that they'll fool around with the 10,000--if they do, they're just giftwrapping it for Cabral's kick.

The Ivy teams care *desperately* about the Heps. Very, very few of their athletes (possible exception: D'Agostino from Dartmouth) are looking ahead.

6;04 first mile, 18:06 through 5k

Fred McGriff wrote:

6;04 first mile, 18:06 through 5k

wow. so the winner only did the last 5k in 15:00, meaning it didnt heat up until around 4 miles

Fred McGriff wrote:

6;04 first mile, 18:06 through 5k

A few comments.

1) What was the mile 4, mile 5 and maybe 9200 splits?

I really want to know how this played out.

2) I really wish the women's 10k had been after the men's and the women had seen this time and gone for it to embarrass the men.

3) Anyone think they out to have some standard of "Hey if you don't run a certain time, the points come off the board."

rojo wrote:

I really wish the women's 10k had been after the men's and the women had seen this time and gone for it to embarrass the men.

Yes, that would have worked out spectacularly. The women would have had faster splits through 5K or so and then all but a couple would have died in the heat, with a winning time of 33-high at best and maybe five athletes under 34:30, plus a number of DNFs. But at least they would have shown the men who was boss...for a while, anyway! And that's what matters!

first 4 miles was a legit slog, about 22:45ish...it was still extremely humid out and after a couple minutes you were drenched. last 3200 was I believe just around 9min with last lap being around 57 for the leaders. Again, the humidity was extremely draining. TC Lumbars last lap must have been about a 55 with last 200 around a 26, kid was moving. Surprised that McCarthy didn't have the kick we're use to seeing.

rojo wrote:

Fred McGriff wrote:

6;04 first mile, 18:06 through 5k

A few comments.

1) What was the mile 4, mile 5 and maybe 9200 splits?

I really want to know how this played out.

2) I really wish the women's 10k had been after the men's and the women had seen this time and gone for it to embarrass the men.

3) Anyone think they out to have some standard of "Hey if you don't run a certain time, the points come off the board."

Raptured wrote:

I recall Lumbar being a 14:xx XC 5k guy back in high school. Obviously a tactical race in horrible conditions.

TC Lumbar was a good runner, but he never broke 15 in high school. Minnesota has too many "real" cross country courses to do it. But he was a 9:12ish two-miler on the track, that's for sure.

Also this race is pathetic. I don't care how hot or miserable it is, 33min for these athletes? They probably do six minute miles on their TRAINING RUNS in this kind of weather. What a joke.

Didn't Rojo make some kind of statement about the obsession with times ruining the sport?

Shouldn't Rojo be worrying about how his team will do at HEPS?

Almost all of these guys are doubling. The Big East even gives you a qualifier in the 5k if you hit the 10k time and vice versa. It's traditionally a tactical affair on day 1.

Weather report for Tampa shows that it got up to 87 earlier in the day and was 77 at the time of the race.

By the way, Ivy League alum Glenn Randall's first 10k in Boston, run (downhill) under similarly hot conditions, would have won this race ... by 2 minutes.

Those Big East guys are a bunch of bit**es. Can't handle the heat? It wasn't even that bad for their race. I could understand it being a little slow but wow. Surprised that South Florida couldn't place anyone... Oh wait.

The point of racing is to win.

Yes I love this. Not enought tactical races these days.

People that complain about slow races are the scum of the earth!