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They can communicate and they have memories. Shouldn't you not eat them any more? http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0023625 The results demonstrate that unstressed plants are able to perceive and respond to stress cues emitted by the roots of their drought-stressed neighbors and, via ‘relay cuing’, elicit stress responses in further unstressed plants. Further work is underway to study the underlying mechanisms of this new mode of plant communication and its possible adaptive implications for the anticipation of forthcoming abiotic stresses by plants. http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/28/if-peas-can-talk-should-we-eat-them/ "Curiously, having received the signal, plants not directly affected by this particular environmental stress factor were better able to withstand adverse conditions when they actually occurred. This means that the recipients of biochemical communication could draw on their “memories” — information stored at the cellular level — to activate appropriate defenses and adaptive responses when the need arose." |
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| jake the fake |
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your an idiot, they are not using the same definitions of stress and communicate as the ones you are insinuating. |
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nice usage of "your", quite ironic in context |
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I'm not going to read your links but I'm eating peas right now. Pretty much delicious, so yes I will continue to eat them. I think using the words stress and memories discredits the studies because most people are scientifically retarded, dumbing down cellular science doesn't help. |
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http://www.jay-zjournal.com/ If you scroll down the page, you get to see Jay-Z sniffing his finger. |
| Aghast |
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Please define communication. It requires a sender (the pea plant), a message (the presence of drought conditions), a receiver (the other peas not in the drought condition). Seems to me we are talking about the same definition of communication.
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YES! Vegans are the worst! |
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[/quote] I think jake the fake's point was obviously that your attempted reductio of the vegan position fails, because while plants may be able to communicate in a certain sense, they cannot feel pain/be harmed etc. in the same way that animals can. In other words, as jake the fake puts it, your attempted reductio depends upon an equivocation on the meaning of 'communication' and 'stress'. Jake is right. Many animals are conscious creatures with a capacity for suffering. In other words, they can be Harmed. It seems to follow that we should avoid Harming them. The same is not true for peas. Of course, you're probably just being intentionally silly. But people seem to have a hard time grasping this, so I'll repeat it: there might be good reasons that we should extend our moral consideration to animals. Namely, to the extent that our moral considerations are based on avoiding harm to conscious creatures with a capacity for suffering (or something similar to this), and that animals are such creatures, we shouldn't harm them. We used to not extend our moral consideration to people of other races or other nations (and to an extent we still fail to do this). We've come around, broadening our moral scope. Perhaps our current treatment of animals will similarly come to seem barbaric to our children someday. |
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Peas are murder. Tasty Tasty murder. Q-How do you catch a polar bear? A-Go to the arctic. Chop a 9.5 foot diameter circular hole in the ice. Along the circumference of the circular hole, place a frozen pea every six inches or so. Then, when a bear comes up to take a pea, you kick him in the icehole. |