I always thought Villanova was considered a better school than all except Georgetown and Notre Dame.
Here is a link comparing SAT scores:
Why are people putting Pittsburgh high on an ACADEMIC list?
I'd say the rankings are:
1/2: ND and Georgetown
6/7: Pitt and Marquette
8/9: Rutgers and Providence
11/12: Cincinatti and DePaul
13: Seton Hall
14: West Virginia
15: South Florida
Pitt has stellar engineering, law, business, and medical schools. In addition, their integration into the city allows for a myriad of opportunities not afforded at other universities in the Big East and elsewhere. Loads of government funding to boot.
An important thing to remember is that they have many collaborative efforts with Carnegie Mellon University as well, and many students from both schools take classes at the other interchangably. One of the best kept secrets in American academics!
Pitt is a medical and engineering research powerhouse and is located right next door to Carnegie Mellon. It's the best science, medicine, and technology school in that conference by a wide margin. Georgetown has a better law school though.
i agree with all of that. except i dont think providence deserves to be listed twice and i might switch syracuse and nova
Whether or not this matters, but here are some recent and all time well known scholarships numbers by school.
Fulbright 10/11(could not find a recent collected list)-
Others not ranked/unlisted.
Goldwater 11/12(for STEM undergrads)-
Rhodes Scholars All Time-
WVU: 24(but aren't they Big 12 now?)
Notre Dame: 14
Others at zero.
You are right, Villanova is far more academically selective than Pitt, but that is probably also a factor of the SIZE of the enrollment. Nova has maybe 6K undergrad. What is Pitt's? I guarantee it is probabaly double.
Who cares about the "grad" programs? Totally different animal in terms of academics. And it you want to be an engineer, go to Carnegie Mellon!
I'm a Nova grad, but I also spent my first 2 years at UNC, and I can tell you that you cannot even begin to compare the quality of the experience between them. Nova would not accept abut 3-4 of my classes upon transfer, as those "classes" were not considered worthy of credit. HA!
I agree that G-town and ND are the top of the class.
But there is NO way I'd rank the WVU's, Pitts, UConn's above us. In fact, my sister graduated from Morganhole, and my SAT scores were several hundres points higher (and I'm also female, so it is a fair comparison).
It goes the other way around too. Nova has courses that UNC wouldn't accept also. It's not necessarily because the courses are worse. It's more a matter of the schools having courses that cover the same material. If the 2nd school doesn't have an equivalent course, then why would they give you credit for it?
Take it easy, big legs. Pitt isn't what it used to be - the average SAT going in has risen a good 100-150 points in the past few years.
Lumping Pitt with WVU and UConn is far more of a joke than lumping Pitt with Villanova.
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Shanghai is the fairest of the hundreds of commercial college surveys since Shanghai does not advertise.
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pitt does NOT have stellar law and business. i've heard of someone going to either. good luck trying to get a job outside of pennsylvania with a degree from either.
gtown and nd are head and shoulders above the rest. villanova is next and then drops off pretty quickly from there. it's kind of pathetic that syracuse and uconn probably are 4 and 5. can you name anyone who went to one of those 2 schools who turned down any academically respectable school for reasons other than money?
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Shanghai is the fairest of the hundreds of commercial college surveys since Shanghai does not advertise.[/quote]
"fair" if you like its criteria, which are wholly skewed towards big state schools that fund research:
ARWU uses six objective indicators to rank world universities, including the number of alumni and staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals, number of highly cited researchers selected by Thomson Scientific, number of articles published in journals of Nature and Science, number of articles indexed in Science Citation Index - Expanded and Social Sciences Citation Index, and per capita performance with respect to the size of an institution.
so if it's important to you that some PHD guy is in a lab, writing journal articles and winning awards but not getting anywhere near the classroom, then that is the ranking for you. notice that it completely ignores the actual undergrads (eg, their SATs/GPAs and then what they do after they graduate, such as average post grad salaries and degrees). when you see schools like UCSF and UW in the top 17, ahead of schools like hopkins, northwestern, duke, vanderbilt and dartmouth (100+, which a joke), you know the criteria are ridiculous.
But do you even know what they are ranking? What does "best" mean? What are the criteria?
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i post above what the criteria are. it's basically what schools have researchers who are publishing and getting awards, which has next to nothing to do with (1) the education undergrads get and (2) the jobs/grad schools the undergrad go to after graduation.
Thanks for not being a rankings slave
I knew that. If you want a attend a top university then always check the Shanghai rankings regarded as the Consumers Reports of college ratings.
1- Georgetown University
2- University of Notre Dame
3- Villanova University
4- University of Pittsburgh
5- Syracuse University
6- University of Connecticut
7- Rutgers University
8- Marquette University
9- Seton Hall University
10- University of Louisville
11- Providence College
12- University of Cincinnati
13- West Virginia University
14- St. John's University
15- DePaul University
16- University of South Florida