Mtn Dew
Expectation in the 800m for a sprinter type? 4/25/2012 9:17PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I've got a kid running a 800m next week for the first time. He's in 8th grade and is a football player and sprint/strength type. He's run 59 seconds for 400m but ran a 5:52 mile last week. I'm not quite sure what he should run for 800m. I figure around 2:30 or so, but I'm not certain how fast he should go out.
Been There, Done That
RE: Expectation in the 800m for a sprinter type? 4/25/2012 10:45PM - in reply to Mtn Dew Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Mtn Dew wrote:

I've got a kid running a 800m next week for the first time. He's in 8th grade and is a football player and sprint/strength type. He's run 59 seconds for 400m but ran a 5:52 mile last week. I'm not quite sure what he should run for 800m. I figure around 2:30 or so, but I'm not certain how fast he should go out.


2:30 is probably about right based on a 5:52 mile. If his mile time were better, then that would bode for a better 800 time. I ran 2:13 for the 800 with a 4:57 mile as an 8th grader (age:13yrs), but no way could I have run 59 for the 400 at the time.
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RE: Expectation in the 800m for a sprinter type? 4/25/2012 11:08PM - in reply to Mtn Dew Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What is your background?
Mtn Dew
RE: Expectation in the 800m for a sprinter type? 4/26/2012 9:31AM - in reply to Been There, Done That Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Been There, Done That wrote:



2:30 is probably about right based on a 5:52 mile. If his mile time were better, then that would bode for a better 800 time. I ran 2:13 for the 800 with a 4:57 mile as an 8th grader (age:13yrs), but no way could I have run 59 for the 400 at the time.


He's only run the mile once. He's run a few 400ms. He's a pretty decent athlete for an 8th grader. He threw the discus 125 feet and long jumps 17 feet. Plays football in the fall.
no one
RE: Expectation in the 800m for a sprinter type? 4/26/2012 2:25PM - in reply to Mtn Dew Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'd consider having him go out in 70 - 75 hedging towards him running under 2:30 - which I think is a 'reasonable' time given his other marks. The 59, for me, would be encouraging for better times. Conditioning? ... would be a key
Lydiard is God
RE: Expectation in the 800m for a sprinter type? 4/26/2012 5:55PM - in reply to Mtn Dew Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
In Australia, there is a wealth of young MD talent. Up until the mid-teens at least, these events are often dominated by powerful 'sprinter-types'(and overage East Africans), often fueled by unnecessarily brutal VO2max and anaerobic workouts. For example, the current Australian (white) national champion fits this bill, and did PRs of 2:06.95 at 12 and 2:00.94 at 13. However, to be a long-term success at even 800m, you must encourage your budding talent to engage in continuous runs of over 20min, preferably engaging in one long run a week-anything up to an hour-at 13/14. This is essential to build the necessary base, on top of which he can utilise his natural sprinting talent.

The legendary Peter Snell, who didn't break two minutes for 800m at high school, is a great example of a runner with natural strength and overall athleticism. He was virtually forced by the Lydiard training group to engage in genuine long runs on the famous, hilly Waitarua course in Auckland. He hated them and struggled at first, but persisted, and the rest, as they say, is history-three Olympic Gold and WRs.

I would go as far as to say that, if you don't concentrate on building an endurance base, you will ultimately fail as an elite 800m runner, and are wasting your time. Americans, on the whole, are yet to realise this.