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asdfe
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/23/2012 3:39PM - in reply to not that complex. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
not that complex. wrote:

[quote]Clue me in wrote:

What are you calling "body type"? Composition or bone structure? And where did you hear that they retain the same body type after separation?


You're the one claiming genetics has absolutely no bearing on body size and structure. That's a rather ridiculous claim. Thus the onus is on you to show me identical twins whose frames vary greatly. I'd love to see it.

Here's a couple identical twins who didn't meet until age 39. Pretty damn coincidental that they appear to be of extremely similar proportions, eh?

http://lornareiko.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/2.jpg?w=235&h=179

Dude, face it, you're either a troll or just a dim-witted/stubborn fool.[/quote]

It's already been established that he is a troll. He is clearly a troll. YOU are the dim-witted/stubborn one of this thread for allowing him to indulge in his trolling for as long as you have.
chinocochio
RE: I just ran 10 miles in 85 minutes. So tired! Facebook status updates. 4/23/2012 3:39PM - in reply to chinocochio Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Sorry, Isner is actually 6'9"! He's got a giant serve! His height keeps him from adequately returning low balls and he's slow. Thus, he can't consistently beat the top guys.

chinocochio wrote:

Why do most fast, elite runners have a certain BMI? All the fast guys are about 5'9" and 130 pounds. I'll bet that if you measured their femur length and other body proportions that they would be extremely close. Guys like Solinsky are rather rare for distance runners.

There are exceptions but the vast, VAST majority are a certain size and weight. Why are all African Americans in the US (from West Africa) all sprinters while the East Africans are distance runners? Is it all attributable to culture or social influences?

Look at pro tennis players. The very best players are all 6'1" or 6'2" because it gives them enough height for consistent serves but leaves them nimble enough to move around court. Rarely do you see a giant like John Isner, who is 6'7" do well in tennis.

Genetics are a VERY big part of all sports. I have friends that have run for years, eat healthy, and do workouts. Within a year of running, I was faster than them. And I didn't run much. You can call it genetics or God given talent or innate ability or whatever. The fact is that not everybody is capable of making the olympics, going professional, or even making a Division 3 tiny college team.

[quote]Clue me in wrote:

[quote]GR wrote:

By the way, my Dad turns 60 this September, and he just destroyed me over 80m on the beach over Spring Break and put still throws in the low 80mph fastball, 72mph curve. There is something to "genetics." And he can physically kill me (has the strength of a bear). He fast-twitch is phenomenal (unbeatable in arm wrestling vs guys 3 x his size).


What parts of your story are you attributing to genetics? His fast twitch ness? That is entirely trainable. You could do what he does also if you practiced it.[/quote][/quote]
not that complex.
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/23/2012 3:47PM - in reply to asdfe Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
asdfe wrote:


It's already been established that he is a troll. He is clearly a troll. YOU are the dim-witted/stubborn one of this thread for allowing him to indulge in his trolling for as long as you have.


Sorry about that. I'm done responding now.
Clue me in
RE: I just ran 10 miles in 85 minutes. So tired! Facebook status updates. 4/23/2012 3:47PM - in reply to chinocochio Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Chino

BMI is a function of diet and exercise.

Your experience of beating your friends in no way indicates some sort of innate ability. There are too many other possibilities that you have not accounted for.

Because guys like Solinsky are rare means nothing. Or even your tennis examples. The mere fact that those outliers exist means that body types are not that limiting. Do you not see that?

East and west Africans? There are plenty of fast east African sprinters (Kenya used to have a wicked 400m program). Sprinting is about muscle which is entirely trainable. I would guess that the difference between the two comes down to cultural differences and potential for money. Marathoning and soccer in Kenya. Football and basketball in the USA.
trollism
RE: I just ran 10 miles in 85 minutes. So tired! Facebook status updates. 4/23/2012 5:26PM - in reply to chinocochio Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
chinocochio wrote:

Sorry, Isner is actually 6'9"! He's got a giant serve! His height keeps him from adequately returning low balls and he's slow. Thus, he can't consistently beat the top guys.



But of course he'd be able to serve like that if he was 5'4" because it's not a natural thing, it's all about practising.

This is this guy's troll angle isn't it?
Running in the Rain
RE: I just ran 10 miles in 85 minutes. So tired! Facebook status updates. 4/23/2012 5:55PM - in reply to trollism Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
My Mom used to train a little when she was younger, ran in the 21s for 5k and a 4:2X marathon. Can still run around 28 minutes.

Dad never ran or trained but played a lot of basketball and was in good shape. Now he is old and fat but likes to go out for a 2-3 mile jog every once in a while. Ran a 29 minute 5k this year.
Leopardly
RE: I just ran 10 miles in 85 minutes. So tired! Facebook status updates. 4/23/2012 6:07PM - in reply to Running in the Rain Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Dad was a skiing guy in younger years, mom was never athletic. They managed to have two weightlifting type kids and one extremely skinny one (me)
Clue me in
RE: I just ran 10 miles in 85 minutes. So tired! Facebook status updates. 4/23/2012 6:19PM - in reply to trollism Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
trollism wrote:

[quote]chinocochio wrote:

Sorry, Isner is actually 6'9"! He's got a giant serve! His height keeps him from adequately returning low balls and he's slow. Thus, he can't consistently beat the top guys.



But of course he'd be able to serve like that if he was 5'4" because it's not a natural thing, it's all about practising.

This is this guy's troll angle isn't it?[/quote]

Well there's definitely nothing natural about serving. That is a highly highly technical skill.

A shorter guy would probably have a different technique than a taller guy. Depending on how short he is, he might have to even hop a bit to serve. A short guy would have to incorporate other advantages into his tennis playing to balance out his disadvantages. Just like short guys have successfully done in the NBA.

Do you not agree with this? What's wrong about it?
casual commentary
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/23/2012 7:03PM - in reply to genetics Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Dad ran 2:12 880y while a tennis player in HS back in the 60s. Mom was not really an athlete.

I did 2:13 800m, 10:10 2 mile and mid 16s for 5k XC in HS. Never competed seriously after.
Idontevenknow
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/23/2012 7:26PM - in reply to dontflushwhileyousit Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
dontflushwhileyousit wrote:

My dad did track in high school. He ran just under 6 minutes for the mile. My mom couldn't run 400 meters in 6 minutes. I ran 4:18. There goes the genetics theory.


Hey, spunk up, bud. Your 1200m time could probably beat the average jv high school freshman girl.
smarty--or smartin'--pants
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/23/2012 7:31PM - in reply to genetics Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Pretty fast, when they were chasing me.
ohhh yeeeaaaa
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/23/2012 8:09PM - in reply to genetics Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Dad: 5'9, nerdy looking basketball player, but apparently he was alright at running. He ran about a 5:45 mile off of no training in a college phys ed class.

Mom: 5'7, Freaking athletic as he**, but it was the 60s so girls didn't have as many opportunities for sports. She was a swimmer and #2 in the city. also did diving, but there was only club sports back then so she didn't get a chance to try running. at age 55 she started running one mile with me every morning. it was super chill and not real training at all, but we entered a local 5k and I ran about 22 or 23 and she ran 27-28 which I thought was pretty good for a 55 year old women who had only started running a month or two previously.
Avante
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/23/2012 9:22PM - in reply to Clue me in Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Couldn't be more wrong if you worked at it.

You really do need to bone up on this as of right now...clue-less.
Clue me in
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/23/2012 9:36PM - in reply to Avante Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Avante wrote:

Couldn't be more wrong if you worked at it.

You really do need to bone up on this as of right now...clue-less.




You guys have not debunked any of my statements. I've debunked several of yours. Especially that poor twin example. I mean really???

What exactly have I been wrong about?
hks321
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/23/2012 11:12PM - in reply to genetics Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
My father claimed he finished 2nd in his whole school in a 15km race. The guy who beat him though did by quite a bit.

This is also not in US. Nobody had a car to get driven anywhere. Actually, he came from a relatively wealthy family so he actually had a pair of black rubber shoes that were only somewhat worn out. The only car in town was for moving cows to the market. He said he probably had to run about 6km per day for school.

He finally ran 3 NYC marathon starting in late 60. First one he broke 5 hours but he barely trained. He didn't understand the concept of training. The last one he beat Al Roker (fat former weather guy) by 5 minutes. Zero training. Ran like 20 miles the whole year. He hung up his shoes and he won't be entering this year.
has been who never was
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/23/2012 11:28PM - in reply to genetics Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Mom was a recreational runner and never really raced as far as I know, but she was a ballerina who danced professionally. Not sure how that translates into speed. She's the one who got me running.

Dad ran around 2:00 for 880, low 50s 440 and played football in college.

I ran 3:53 (1500), 1:55, 14:55 and 25:00 (8k).
poplar tree
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/24/2012 12:10AM - in reply to Clue me in Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Is "Clue me in" really this stupid, or is he just trolling?

Some things are so OBVIOUS you really don't need to provide an explanation. Do you think the dinosaurs existed? I mean, I've never actually SEEN one, so that seems like pretty shaky ground to me...
andy1564
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/24/2012 12:35AM - in reply to poplar tree Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
My dad played tennis in high school and after falling far out of shape began running in his late 30s, when I was a little kid. Without my worship of my father I would likely have never taken up running. He ran 19:10 for 5k, 40:00ish for 10k and 3:10 for the marathon all in his early 40s.

Unfortunately, our respective fitness never intersected, as he stopped training when I was in 7th or 8th grade. I've run 1:56 for 800, 4:23 for 1600, 16:26 5k and 27:18 8k.

One thing, my father is 5'10" and I'm 6'2.5." I'm built more like my mother's father, who was long, lean and muscular for most of his life, with what looked like a good mid-D build. My mother herself was not athletic, but 5'8" and very thin, and she claims to have run 6:xx for the P.E. mile at a very young age.
my experiences
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/24/2012 1:07AM - in reply to has been who never was Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Dad played baseball in HS. Actually walked on in track as a junior at a major college kind of on a lark. Ran 100 yard (not meters) dash close to 10 seconds (which was ok back then but still not blazing).
Mom played basketball in HS. Later played tennis, picked it up pretty fast and was towards the top in local city matches but never great. She was always an avid hiker and could go on forever while us kids would be out of breath.

My sister was the number one runner for her HS xc team, In track she ran 4:40ish for a mile. Ran well in college until injured.

I played football first 2 years in HS. Then started xc as a junior could never get better than 5th on team. My fastest track mile was 4:47. 2 mile in 10:33. So yeah, my sister was faster.

However, she's not running now and I'm training more than i did when i was younger. As a 50+ master I am doing OK in my age group in local races (low 18 min 5k)
Genetics are teh lulz
RE: How fast were your parents? 4/24/2012 2:18AM - in reply to genetics Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Don't mean crap to me, I'm easily the most athletic person in my family, and the only thing I can do is run fast. Both my parents weren't athletes, nor were they ever in any good shape... I would say that I on the other hand am at least above average.. I can run a 2:03 800 and a 53.x second 400 within roughly 8 days of decent training. Within 3 weeks I dropped down to 1:59 and 51.4. I ran a 16:45 3 mile off of 5 days of training, and I went from 0-50 in those 5 days, which isn't bad for a 4/8 type like me.
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