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cpint708
Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 10:58AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Take a hypothetical runner who has broken 4 minutes for the mile off low-mileage/high intensity training, say 30-40 mpw. Do you think they can finish a marathon in a repectable time (i.e. not crawling to the finish in 5 hours)?
Hshsjzjziz
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 11:03AM - in reply to cpint708 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What do you mean by respectable? Sub 2:10? Sub 2:20?
cpint708
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 11:06AM - in reply to Hshsjzjziz Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Hmmm... How about sub 2:50?
well
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 11:08AM - in reply to cpint708 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

cpint708 wrote:

Take a hypothetical runner who has broken 4 minutes for the mile off low-mileage/high intensity training, say 30-40 mpw. Do you think they can finish a marathon in a repectable time (i.e. not crawling to the finish in 5 hours)?


First off your premise is false, nobody runs a 4:00 mile on 30-40 mpw, second yes obviously they could run a marathon even off of 30-40 mpw, tons of people run marathons on that volume of training
rjhtcv
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 11:10AM - in reply to Hshsjzjziz Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Yeah this really needs to be clarified better. Obviously any sub 4 guy could complete a marathon. They could easily run under 3 hours. But it gets sketchy when you wonder if every sub 4 guy could do something like sub 2:40. I think the deciding factor wouldn't be their speed or fitness, it would be their hydration/nutrition and pacing. I could definitely see a sub4 guy going out really confident and blowing up big time.
Charles Nonhomogenous
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 11:20AM - in reply to cpint708 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Geb ran a 3:33 indoor 1500m to win the 1999 IAAF indoors. I have little doubt he could have run a marathon in sub 2:15 the next day.
history
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 11:43AM - in reply to well Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

well wrote:


First off your premise is false, nobody runs a 4:00 mile on 30-40 mpw...


Didn't Bannister run less than 30 miles a week?
den bosch
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 11:47AM - in reply to Charles Nonhomogenous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Charles Nonhomogenous wrote:

Geb ran a 3:33 indoor 1500m to win the 1999 IAAF indoors. I have little doubt he could have run a marathon in sub 2:15 the next day.
Geb is not "any sub-4 miler."
den bosch
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 11:49AM - in reply to cpint708 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
David Torrence has said on Reddit said if he tried a marathon right now, he'd be thrilled with under 3 hours. He might be being modest, but I would imagine for the fast 800 types (Nick Symmonds, KD, Charles Jock) who could be sub-4 would not be able to run solid marathon times.
hmmmm
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 11:50AM - in reply to cpint708 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Nell McAndrew (search google images right now!) a 38 year old former glamour model ran 2:54 in London today. Surely a professional athlete sub 4 miler could beat her in a marathon..??
Patrick OHanrahanrahanrahan
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 12:00PM - in reply to hmmmm Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Eamon Coghland ran around 2.25 right at the end of his career
steve red
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 12:09PM - in reply to Patrick OHanrahanrahanrahan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Gabe Jennings, the banjo playing, bike riding, naked yoga, sub 4 mile, marathon runing dude.
Pass the Skittles Bro
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 12:15PM - in reply to den bosch Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
just a sampling of sub 4 milers. Could they all break 2:30:00? (5:43 pace)

David Torrence
Leo Manzano
Nick Willis
Russell Brown
Lukus Verzbickus
Lopez Lomong
Evan Jager
A.J. Acosta
Phishguy
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 12:18PM - in reply to history Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

history wrote:

[quote]well wrote:


First off your premise is false, nobody runs a 4:00 mile on 30-40 mpw...


Didn't Bannister run less than 30 miles a week?[/quote]

Yea, he ran like 20 mpw.
Oh please
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 12:34PM - in reply to Charles Nonhomogenous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Charles Nonhomogenous wrote:

Geb ran a 3:33 indoor 1500m to win the 1999 IAAF indoors. I have little doubt he could have run a marathon in sub 2:15 the next day.


He was also the worlds greatest 10000 meter runner, so of course he could have run a good marathon off that.
HS Senior
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 12:42PM - in reply to den bosch Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

den bosch wrote:

[quote]Charles Nonhomogenous wrote:

Geb ran a 3:33 indoor 1500m to win the 1999 IAAF indoors. I have little doubt he could have run a marathon in sub 2:15 the next day.
Geb is not "any sub-4 miler."[/quote]

look at how it's phrased? While it probably means "could just about any random sub 4 miler" it could also be taken as "could any, just at least 1 of hundreds, of sub 4 milers"
The MonBRO Doctrine
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 12:50PM - in reply to cpint708 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

cpint708 wrote:

Hmmm... How about sub 2:50?


I recall reading somewhere that Henry Marsh (3:59 and an 8:09 steeple-chaser) ran a ~3-hour marathon to keep his uncle company and said he could barely walk the next day. Of course who knows how serious he was being and how much faster he could have run.

Part of me wants to think that there may be a few extremely fast guys that couldn't do it, but I'm not sure. I think most could though.
Oh, and one more thing...
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 1:00PM - in reply to hmmmm Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The question is, why on earth would they finish faster than a few seconds after her?

http://greenobles.com/data_images/nell-mcandrew/nell-mcandrew-01.jpg


hmmmm wrote:

Nell McAndrew (search google images right now!) a 38 year old former glamour model ran 2:54 in London today. Surely a professional athlete sub 4 miler could beat her in a marathon..??
Asbel Kiprop Can
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 1:06PM - in reply to cpint708 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Asbel Kiprop could probably run 2:20 for the marathon. He comes from a strong aerobic background, and is a former World Junior XC Champion.
Reebok South
RE: Can any sub-4 miler finish a marathon? 4/22/2012 1:09PM - in reply to cpint708 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You asked two seperate questions with the addition of mileage parameters. I think as the career extends, mileage comes up, this is very possible/ pratical.

Roger jones that I currently train with id this back in the day at a higher mileage. Sub-3:58 miler.Increased the long runs, ran a couple of 10,000's and finished Twin Cities in 2:20 low.

Off the top of my head I can also name:

Greg Whiteley has a 3:55 mile PR and became a pro tri-guy. In 1999 he finished an IM distance with a 3:09 marathon split.

Steve Bolt, T&F News high school runner of the year in 1973. 3:59 mile, 2:17 marathon PR's

Geb ran 8:01 for two miles...
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