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26mi235
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/22/2012 11:33PM - in reply to kevin azn boyss Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
No, this finish gave her what she needs before the Olympics -- what strategy are you going to use. She just blitzed the last 10,000 off of a fast (not blazing) pace. I doubt anyone can stay with that finish. So, are you going to go out at 2:17:30 pace? This is a conundrum for any other marathoner for London.
MarathonMind
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/22/2012 11:34PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Unofficially I have 1:47:09 for 20 miles.
so a 31:28 split for Mary today from 20 miles to finish.
Oh, and one more thing...
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/22/2012 11:43PM - in reply to MarathonMind Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Shobukhova likes to run this way. A fit Shobu/Keitany showdown could get pretty darned interesting....
elton
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/22/2012 11:44PM - in reply to MarathonMind Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Maybe closer to a man finishing with a 27:35 10K then, if she was that much under 31:40.

What is the fastest last 10K in a men's marathon?
vfcduyyfvbjj
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 12:26AM - in reply to joecrunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Points table is not a valid comparison in this case. Men's 10k is much deeper than women. Do it as a percent of pace for the first 20mi instead and see what it is
elton
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 12:33AM - in reply to vfcduyyfvbjj Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
That's the way I did it - 10K WR times 1.05 or 1.06.
now you know
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 3:19AM - in reply to elton Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
im glad irina mititenko lost. she is old and should quit. 2:24:53 london marathon is slow; i hope she doesn't run for germany since she isn't a true german.
now you know
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 3:28AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i pridict mary keitany beats paula in london 2012 olympics in london. i hope keitany kiplagat and kabuu all beat paula's 2nd best time 2:17:18
rainmaker
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 6:22AM - in reply to MarathonMind Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You are the only one with a 20 mile split? Without that I would have her last 10k ~... 31:34.2 !!! This based on the info available...
the runs
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 7:28AM - in reply to elton Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
elton wrote:

If you use Melkamu's 29:53 and Bekele's 26:17 as the comparison points, 31:40 is equivalent to about 27:50 (WR x 1.06).


29:53 is nowhere near equivilent to 26:17, even if the women's WR is suspicious. If Dibaba back in 2008 planned and entered a a proper, paced race based solely on running as fast as possible (something which NEVER happens with women) she would have run in the 29:30-40 range.

Just compare the 5k and 10k alltime lists and how one has been completely reconfigured overt the past decade and then contrast it with the 10k.

The WR is about where it should be - its just that the 'wrong women' is there. The w10k suffers through the non-existence of pacing. 14:10 and 29:30 are roughly on-a-par I'd say.
fast faster fastest
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 7:40AM - in reply to the runs Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
all this shows just how awesome Paula's run was
dubow
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 7:58AM - in reply to fast faster fastest Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
interesting, and scary, stat: even if Mary doubled her sensational 67:44 second half-marathon, she STILL wouldn't beat the WR.

I think Paula split 68:02/67:23 if I rmembr correctly.

Mental.
MarathonMind
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 10:05AM - in reply to rainmaker Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
rainmaker wrote:

You are the only one with a 20 mile split? Without that I would have her last 10k ~... 31:34.2 !!! This based on the info available...
Someone on the update thread said 18 miles was 1:36:34. The next two miles totalled 10:35. So I am relying on the accuracy of the letsrun commenter.
prometheus_bounding
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 2:02PM - in reply to Go Afrika Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Go Afrika wrote:

PEDs really work, especially with the Afrikans. I am shocked how fast the women are running these days. It is hard to believe since women have so many differences in their bodies.



Automatically claiming the use of PEDs without any proof is probably as a result of your own terribly slow PBs and performances.
TrackCoach
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 2:27PM - in reply to fast faster fastest Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
fast faster fastest wrote:

all this shows just how awesome Paula's run was



Even the word awesome is an understatement.

There are about 20 t&f performances that belie explaination and interestingly 'all of them' are women. Even Bob Beamon's incredible long and Usain Bolt's 9.58 are explainable when you factor in the variables. Beamon's long jump was a fluke and Bolt is simply a freak of nature.

The women's 100/200/400/800/1500/10000/100h/400h/4x1r/4x4r/SP/Discus, etc., and Puala's 2:15 marathon performace are off the charts good.

...a 3:57 1500m or a 2:19 marathon is awesome, but a 3:52 1500m or a 2:15 marathon is difficult to put into words.
Go Afrika
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 3:19PM - in reply to prometheus_bounding Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
prometheus_bounding wrote:

[quote]Go Afrika wrote:

PEDs really work, especially with the Afrikans. I am shocked how fast the women are running these days. It is hard to believe since women have so many differences in their bodies.



Automatically claiming the use of PEDs without any proof is probably as a result of your own terribly slow PBs and performances.[/quote]

I don't know what my PBs or performance has anything to do with what I said.
Now you seem to be convinced that their performance is clean or you are just defending your own PEDs use.
Track Fan 1979
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 3:25PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What was her 20 mile split. It shouldn't be that hard to find.
SserPrun95
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 5:58PM - in reply to joecrunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
joecrunner wrote:

On the IAAF tables, a 31:40 for a woman is 1157 points, for a man that same score is 27:44, so a bit slower, but much faster than 28:25.


Don't get suckered by those tables. They are based on the average performances across the genders. The fact is that high end male running is far deeper than it is on the women's side. If you compare WR to WR at every distance from 100m-marathon it works out to be around a 25-35 sec/mile diff (I did the math on every world record from 100m-marathon on some other thread) aka ~30sec/mile aka 28:30 for a male 10k. Very impressive but not out of the equation believable.
@running_comment
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 5:59PM - in reply to Go Afrika Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Go Afrika wrote:

PEDs really work, especially with the Afrikans.


Oh, come on. The rampant jealous accusations of African doping are bad enough without jealous delusions that they work better in Africans. Go for a run, man.
Go Afrika
RE: Mary Keitany's Crazy Final 10km at the 2012 London marathon- 31:30? 31:45? 4/23/2012 9:06PM - in reply to @running_comment Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
@running_comment wrote:

[quote]Go Afrika wrote:

PEDs really work, especially with the Afrikans.


Oh, come on. The rampant jealous accusations of African doping are bad enough without jealous delusions that they work better in Africans. Go for a run, man.[/quote]

There is no jealous accusations. I made similar comments about Paula. Don't be ridiculous. I am suspicious about all the fast times happening in the last few years.
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