Legit.
Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/21/2012 6:28PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The guy is running 150 mile weeks and having intense workouts during the week and racing every chance he gets!

Begs the question - if you can avoid the injury bug would it be worth the risk of combining high mileage + workouts?


Typically we are taught to do base miles and take it mostly easy and then turn down the mileage in season.
avbA
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/21/2012 6:56PM - in reply to Legit. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
yup..you want to train as fast as possible without getting hurt. once you find that combination you will be on your way. seems like levins found a way that works for HIM
caiado
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/21/2012 7:01PM - in reply to Legit. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Levins is exciting to watch and hopefully he continues to improve. As far as guys doing the mega mileage thing, it usually doesn't end up being something sustainable. Look at Josh McDougal. If it works for him, though, by all means go for it.
Lyndon Larouche
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/21/2012 7:46PM - in reply to Legit. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
...for now...

Josh McDougal was doing the same thing, and look what happened to him.

Hell look at Wejo. He trained and trained and ran 28:04 and then....poof!...he couldn't run anymore.

Nothing is free...
casual commentary
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/21/2012 7:50PM - in reply to Legit. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Levins is a sub 4 talent so it's not like anyone can roll out of bed and get near world class success just by emulating his program.
Abed Nadir
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/21/2012 9:12PM - in reply to Lyndon Larouche Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Lyndon Larouche wrote:

...for now...

Josh McDougal was doing the same thing, and look what happened to him.

Hell look at Wejo. He trained and trained and ran 28:04 and then....poof!...he couldn't run anymore.

Nothing is free...


But ya see, the thing is, Levins seems to be not only durable, but he and his coach seem to know what they're doing. I can't recall the exact interview, but Josh McDougal attributed his downfall to doing supplementary exercises in such a way that led to a muscle imbalance that was noticeable even to his teammates. And with Levins's kind of talent, I'm sure he can do big things--perhaps not to the extent of someone like Rupp--but very possibly to some notable extent of success.
Billy Costigan
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/21/2012 9:31PM - in reply to Abed Nadir Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It's awesome that Levins works that hard and I wish there were more athletes willing to push their limitations like that, but not just anybody can run that much and get results. It takes a very special and durable talent to run and absorb fitness from 150 mile weeks. Make no mistake about it.
too many supplements
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/21/2012 10:05PM - in reply to Abed Nadir Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Abed Nadir wrote:

Josh McDougal attributed his downfall to doing supplementary exercises in such a way that led to a muscle imbalance that was noticeable even to his teammates.


too much praying, and not enough doing the right things
safhgvgggasdc
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/21/2012 10:10PM - in reply to too many supplements Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i would take wejo or levins or mcdougal's career in a heartbeat over that of a never was who played it safe at seventy miles a week.
Row if u want to
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 3:55AM - in reply to safhgvgggasdc Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Aren't they all at this point 'nevers'? The only difference is mileage
fudh
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 10:14AM - in reply to Row if u want to Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
of course its the best way to train, but you have to be incredibly mentally tough... i think very few people are mentally tough enough to do what hes doing. hes a absolute monster...
Azaleas
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 10:52AM - in reply to Lyndon Larouche Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Lyndon Larouche wrote:

...for now...

Josh McDougal was doing the same thing, and look what happened to him.

Hell look at Wejo. He trained and trained and ran 28:04 and then....poof!...he couldn't run anymore.

Nothing is free...

McDougal was doing all his mileage in singles, whereas Levins is doubling and tripling. There's a big, big difference between doing a hard 20 miler every day and splitting it up into a couple of tens.
MikeM
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 1:18PM - in reply to Lyndon Larouche Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I guess I never heard Wejo talk about why he quit running. I always thought it was his devotion to the website and getting an MBA. It would be good to hear why he stopped training...but I don't think it was he couldn't run. As for McDougal, he apparently got over the nagging injury...but in his case it also seemed like a lack of desire to train at that high level again. Go back and read some articles about him. He was questioning the point of doing it. That sounds less like he couldn't do it and more like he didn't want to.
b-runner
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 1:24PM - in reply to MikeM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Didn't Kenyans already prove this?
JindoSmile
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 1:37PM - in reply to b-runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Go Cam! Go Canada!

Does anyone know the link that says what happened to Josh McDougal? I mean what he says what he thinks caused his problem?


****** And yeah, I think as a follow-up to "Why I sucked in college" we need to see a "Why I stopped running" article. I'm curious. ******
Lyndon Larouche
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 1:49PM - in reply to MikeM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

MikeM wrote:

I guess I never heard Wejo talk about why he quit running. I always thought it was his devotion to the website and getting an MBA. It would be good to hear why he stopped training...but I don't think it was he couldn't run. As for McDougal, he apparently got over the nagging injury...but in his case it also seemed like a lack of desire to train at that high level again. Go back and read some articles about him. He was questioning the point of doing it. That sounds less like he couldn't do it and more like he didn't want to.


Wejo had a foot injury that he could not diagnose. He put a picture of his foot on the site somewhere and tried to crowd-source the injury.

McDougal didn't have a nagging injury. He had a loss of coordination in his leg. he was seriously f'ed up.
safhgvgggasdc
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 8:29PM - in reply to Lyndon Larouche Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wejo's Olympic trials marathon bid was scuttled by a plantar fascia tear, and a comeback after that was denied by a non-healing navicular stress fracture. Not sure if he ended up getting surgery for it but from what some podiatrist letsrunners said, it looked like he needed it. Mcdougall was injured with the loss of coordination thing and could not find answers, so he got dropped from his contract. He eventually sorted things out with a strength pt back home, but by that point was so drained from the whole thing that he pursued other things instead if trying to make a comeback. He got married and took a job coaching at liberty.
bbbbb
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 8:49PM - in reply to safhgvgggasdc Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

safhgvgggasdc wrote:

i would take wejo or levins or mcdougal's career in a heartbeat over that of a never was who played it safe at seventy miles a week.



this
Take the bait
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 8:55PM - in reply to bbbbb Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

bbbbb wrote:

[quote]safhgvgggasdc wrote:

i would take wejo or levins or mcdougal's career in a heartbeat over that of a never was who played it safe at seventy miles a week.



this[/quote]

I'd rather be Bernard "50 miles per week on singles" Lagat.
speaker of truth
RE: Is Cam Levins proving the Mileage AND Intensity = success? 4/22/2012 11:13PM - in reply to Take the bait Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Take the bait wrote:
I'd rather be Bernard "50 miles per week on singles" Lagat.


Lagat doesn't need big miles. The EPO takes care of that for him.