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xcskier
RE: Pull a "Glenn Randall" (GR) 4/20/2012 4:47PM - in reply to Brian123 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Haha, this thread is amazing. Its hilarious to see Glenn introduced into a whole new crowd, and your reactions to him.

I am a cross country skier, and I've been racing Glenn for a number of years, and know the US skiing community very well. Everything said on this thread is exactly what we've been dealing with for the last 8 years. You guys have no idea the number of stories like this and races where Glenn has been leading against a field that was way better than him.

Also, personally knowing Glenn, i can tell you that he didn't do this for money or fame. He honestly thought that this was the best thing for him to do for his racing.

The dude has a motor that very few people possess, and I wouldn't count him out. 9 times out of 10, he'll race like this, and blow up. But then there's that one time, and I've seen it happen before, when his strategy works, and he can pull off some amazing races.
AK-54
RE: Pull a "Glenn Randall" (GR) 4/20/2012 5:57PM - in reply to xcskier Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

xcskier wrote:

Haha, this thread is amazing. Its hilarious to see Glenn introduced into a whole new crowd, and your reactions to him.

I am a cross country skier, and I've been racing Glenn for a number of years, and know the US skiing community very well. Everything said on this thread is exactly what we've been dealing with for the last 8 years. You guys have no idea the number of stories like this and races where Glenn has been leading against a field that was way better than him.

Also, personally knowing Glenn, i can tell you that he didn't do this for money or fame. He honestly thought that this was the best thing for him to do for his racing.

The dude has a motor that very few people possess, and I wouldn't count him out. 9 times out of 10, he'll race like this, and blow up. But then there's that one time, and I've seen it happen before, when his strategy works, and he can pull off some amazing races.


I was sort of incorrect above when I said he was back in 10th and moved up in the US 50K championships a few years back. What actually happened (had to dig into my blog to find it) in that race was that Randall broke a pole on the first lap fell far back, got a new pole and moved into the lead pack, and then took the lead against the likes of Canadian Ivan Babikov (who was near the top of World Cup rankings) and a bunch of US Olympians by the third lap. At the end of the day Randall hung for third in the US. If this had been a marathon championship it would have been a huge deal. He didn't get much notoriety, other than some mention in Fasterskier.
run on sentence guy
RE: Pull a "Glenn Randall" (GR) 4/20/2012 6:21PM - in reply to Saul Wellingood Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Saul Wellingood wrote:

Funny. If a guy with a PR of 2:55 or so (hardly fast but easily in the top 10% of open men's fields these days) goes out in 19:00 for the first 5K and 1:25 for the half and fades to 3:05 or thereabouts, no one calls him a douche or an idiot or a poser or whatever; if they notice at all, they may chide him for being overzealous and reckless and costing himself a shot at a much faster time. But if someone of Randall's ability does this, and in a high-profile televised race to boot, it becomes a front-page story on a prominent, albeit often misguided, Web site, and commands an interview. Whatever mentality is behind this is far more moronic than Glenn Randall's poor racing strategy. dean moriarty is right, and if most of you are as bored as you appear to be you should undertake a high-caliber crack cocaine or methdone habit to spice things up.


The fact that you don't see the difference between a 2:20 guy and a 2:55 guy pulling this douchey stunt makes me think you're the moron.
Reality Bath
RE: Pull a "Glenn Randall" (GR) 4/20/2012 9:33PM - in reply to run on sentence guy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
lizlemon
RE: Pull a "Glenn Randall" (GR) 4/20/2012 10:56PM - in reply to LD_Master Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

LD_Master wrote:

You must be that guy from Runnersworld.



One thing is for sure. If you defend this guy's idiotic stunt, you should certainly be staying over on the runnersworld boards!
Keith Stone
RE: Pull a "Glenn Randall" (GR) 4/21/2012 11:14AM - in reply to Saul Wellingood Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Saul Wellingood wrote:

Funny. If a guy with a PR of 2:55 or so (hardly fast but easily in the top 10% of open men's fields these days) goes out in 19:00 for the first 5K and 1:25 for the half and fades to 3:05 or thereabouts, no one calls him a douche or an idiot or a poser or whatever; if they notice at all, they may chide him for being overzealous and reckless and costing himself a shot at a much faster time. But if someone of Randall's ability does this, and in a high-profile televised race to boot, it becomes a front-page story on a prominent, albeit often misguided, Web site, and commands an interview. Whatever mentality is behind this is far more moronic than Glenn Randall's poor racing strategy. dean moriarty is right, and if most of you are as bored as you appear to be you should undertake a high-caliber crack cocaine or methdone habit to spice things up.


Back when I was getting sent the full split files from some of the majors I noticed a pretty high percentage of males in the 20-30 range that were setting half marathon PR's and fading quite spectacularly in the 2nd half. The only thing unique about Glenn's pacing for his age group was he had the ability to lead for a period of time. Considering his first half/2nd half ratio was in the majority for males of his age the criticism is totally overblown. If he had hung on everyone around here would be cheering his balliness.

Sure, Glenn could have wiser choices, he could have practiced his goal pace more, he could have adjusted for the weather, on and on. So he knows that now, and sometimes the way to make the lesson a bit more enduring is to ramp up either the embarrassment or pain factor.

Hell, you can't always find that wall without hitting it once or twice. It wasn't like he walked in, so give the guy some credit for going for it. It's not like this was his only chance and he blew it.
runnersworldersofast
RE: Pull a "Glenn Randall" (GR) 4/21/2012 3:15PM - in reply to Keith Stone Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Keith Stone wrote:
The only thing unique about Glenn's pacing for his age group was he had the ability to lead for a period of time. Considering his first half/2nd half ratio was in the majority for males of his age the criticism is totally overblown. If he had hung on everyone around here would be cheering his balliness.




And another person chimes in who thinks there's no difference between a 2:20 guy and 2:45 guy. You dorks seem to not understand the point as evidenced by your last sentence here -- he had absolutely ZERO chance of hanging on.

Well, he went out and led some mountain run, so maybe it makes sense that he should lead a world marathon major. I mean, not just be in the lead pack where he has no business, but LEAD the frickin thing! No doubt old Glenn will be running sub-2:10 real soon. So yeah, I take it back. So ballsy.
Saul Wellingood
RE: Pull a "Glenn Randall" (GR) 4/21/2012 3:30PM - in reply to run on sentence guy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

run on sentence guy wrote:


The fact that you don't see the difference between a 2:20 guy and a 2:55 guy pulling this douchey stunt makes me think you're the moron.


A 2:55 guy COULDN'T pull "this douchey stunt." Not step for step. But if he pulled the equivalent, he'd go unnoticed and avoid the "douche" label despite behaving, in essence, exactly the same way. He'd fade like hell, but not from the front of the race.

What YOU don't get is that there are plenty of 2:20 guys who are also fools in terms of their strategy.

Obviously you are not smart enough to be taking part in this discussion. Please remove yourself from it, and, if it's convenient, from life itself.
run on sentence guy
RE: Pull a "Glenn Randall" (GR) 4/21/2012 3:58PM - in reply to Saul Wellingood Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Saul Wellingood wrote:

[quote]run on sentence guy wrote:


The fact that you don't see the difference between a 2:20 guy and a 2:55 guy pulling this douchey stunt makes me think you're the moron.


A 2:55 guy COULDN'T pull "this douchey stunt." Not step for step. But if he pulled the equivalent, he'd go unnoticed and avoid the "douche" label despite behaving, in essence, exactly the same way. He'd fade like hell, but not from the front of the race.

What YOU don't get is that there are plenty of 2:20 guys who are also fools in terms of their strategy.

Obviously you are not smart enough to be taking part in this discussion. Please remove yourself from it, and, if it's convenient, from life itself.[/quote]


There are tons of 2:20 guys that could lead the first several miles of a major marathon wearing a gay tri suit but they don't because they know how douchey it would be.

You think Glen's offense boils down to poor strategy when it really boils down to "full fledged look at me douchery" however you are too stupid to see the difference.
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