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irun
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 1:49AM - in reply to Portlandia-er Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
From the videos, his form and stride look healthy, smooth, and strong. Particularly toward the end of the 5000m, he gradually increased his pace over the last couple laps showing he has more strength than his times reveal. He's still going to need to be able to run almost 10 seconds faster in the 1500m a couple months from now, but something tells me that could almost be within reach. The thing about Vigilante is he knows how to hold his runners back from either exhausting or peaking themselves too early, so my guess is if Webb stays healthy and the improvements keep coming, he could be a contender. But he's going to need to have some serious kicking speed come end of June. Centrowitz, Lomong, and Manzano will all be bringing strong kicks.
52.43
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 7:22AM - in reply to irun Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Absolutely agree on this.

His form looked not bad, just the real bounce is not there yet. The bad thing was that he could not kick at all at the end of the 1500. Imagine a trial like last time - won in 3:50 or something like that but with a 51s last lap!
Conficious
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 8:43AM - in reply to joecrunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

joecrunner wrote:

http://www.letsrun.com/2010/alan-webb0828.php

He ran 3:41/14:15 in August 2010. He later ran 3:37 and 3:36.

Now he's running similar times in April, so I'd say he and Vig know what they are doing.


Why are americans so obsessed by racing early?? In Europe the season 2-3 weeks away.
huwtf
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 10:33AM - in reply to 52.43 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

52.43 wrote:

The bad thing was that he could not kick at all at the end of the 1500.


Impossible to know without hearing from Webb, but it looked to me like he didn't kick intentionally as this was a strength workout for him and he wanted to save something for the 5k.
ballzinyourface
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 10:38AM - in reply to Conficious Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
A song for Webb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZlws4jB6w

To the haters/snitches/whiners/naysayers/doubters/band-wagon-hoppers: http://www.iaaf.org/MultimediaFiles/Photo/Competitions/IAAFGrandPrix/25543_W600XH400.jpg
Mazoozo Myzizi
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 12:56PM - in reply to ballzinyourface Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wow , never seen as many dopers on the 1 picture !




ballzinyourface wrote:

A song for Webb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZlws4jB6w

To the haters/snitches/whiners/naysayers/doubters/band-wagon-hoppers: http://www.iaaf.org/MultimediaFiles/Photo/Competitions/IAAFGrandPrix/25543_W600XH400.jpg
Carter was a Loser
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 2:39PM - in reply to bangalangadanga Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

bangalangadanga wrote:

just noticed this. looks strikingly similar to the 1500/5000 double he did this time last year. although, that was in march of 2011 if i renimber right.

WEBB IS BACK BABY!!


the turd ain't going anywhere
i kinda like running
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 2:47PM - in reply to ballzinyourface Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ballzinyourface wrote:

A song for Webb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZlws4jB6w

To the haters/snitches/whiners/naysayers/doubters/band-wagon-hoppers: http://www.iaaf.org/MultimediaFiles/Photo/Competitions/IAAFGrandPrix/25543_W600XH400.jpg


Ha. And how many years ago was that photo taken? How is this relevant?
irun
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 5:14PM - in reply to huwtf Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It is interesting to see that the last couple times he's raced he's doubled up. I wonder why this seems to be a trend with him, because he did this under Salazar also. I wonder if racing-style workouts, where he's going at maybe 90-95% effort is a good way to expose his body to racing situations but without placing the same stress an all-out race might place on his achiles? I guess my general questions is: what training advantages does racing two events in a day have over training that doesn't simulate the same types of workout situations?

As far as him seemingly having no kick in the 1500m, that wouldn't worry me since he doesn't want to have his best kick until the trials. If you think about it, he's better off with people underestimating him and having a great kick on the days he needs to finish well. And if he's going to be training with Robby Andrews, who better to have for competition in developing a good finishing kick?

I noticed both of Vig's athletes raced this past weekend to compete, not going for times. Makes sense since it's still mid April. Plenty of time to get qualifying standards, particularly after the trials. I know some runners like to have their olympic qualifying times before the trials, which would make more sense for a 5000m or 10000m runners because you don't want to have to keep racing those distances to get a fast time when you could be focusing on just training and resting. For a 1500m runner though, particularly one like Webb, running a few 1500's between the trials and the Olympics (assuming he were to make the team) wouldn't be a bad idea, because surely a few of those meets would bring him through the A standards barring injury/setbacks. I think Vigilante is taking a slow but effective route toward getting Webb and Andrews into good positions and shape for when it comes time for them to hammer it home.
Eggo
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 5:35PM - in reply to irun Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Centos kick is deadly in a tactical race that you are likely to see at the trials. Centos is coming off a WC bronze and is just the kind of runner that could knock Webb off the team. Lets not forget about Lagat ,Lamong and Manazono, all of which have low 3:50 mile speed. The Webb of 2007 would have been unbeatable, but the Webb of 2012 is all over the place. Being Alan Webb he will probably either run 3:55 or 3:33 at the trials. Watching Webb run is like observing a rattle snake in that it is totally unpredictable.

I like to see Webb end his career on top like Scott and Spivey. I remember after not making the US Olympic team and losing his shoe contract, Spivey bounced back and ran a 3:49 mile at 30!!

We are talking about Alan Webb here so a prediction maybe impossible. Sometimes I don't think Webb knows how he is even going to run.

If I am not mistakened the US already has 3 or more 1500 meters runners with the Olympic A standard.
Shorter Than Frank
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/16/2012 11:00PM - in reply to joecrunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
looks promising...

only slightly inferior to german fernandez's double at the california state meet.

but he's getting better.

Go Webb!!
Constantine Aziz
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/17/2012 12:29AM - in reply to joecrunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I was much higher on Webb's result until I saw the race video and results. Daniel Everett of Columbia, a high schooler near here in Missouri only a few short months ago, pulled up on Webb at the finish, as some other guy outkicked Webb. I don't consider Daniel Everett a potential Olympian this year, so I am rethinking if Webb is really "back."
dean moriarty
RE: Webb 3:43.28/14:15.54 Double 4/17/2012 1:31AM - in reply to Constantine Aziz Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I thought the same thing, only that Webb didn't seem to even TRY to kick in that 1500. Seemed like he was trying to run even splits or something. He wasn't rigging.
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