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|Aaron A. Aaronson|
At distances over a mile, was Skah the best kicker ever? Been watching some youtube videos of him and I've yet to see one where he's outkicked. Even Geb loses. I think maybe Bekele might have been able to do it but, all-in-all, Skah wins if anywhere near the lead with 400 to go.
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Marc Davis outkicked him when he ran the 8:12 AR 2 mile.
In cross country Skah reminds me of an American runner around that time, Tim Hacker. Very strong power and turnover in the lower body for a distance runner. Especially on the grass. Those two were built the same.
|The MonBRO Doctrine|
Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtDUkS9RD_0
Geb waxing Khalid Skah, Paul Tergat and Salah Hissou in the 1995 WC 10,000.
The Emperor wasn't a bad kicker.
Skah's kick was very much feared by many of the best 5K/10K runners of the time and caused MANY to resort to tactics that they might not have tried otherwise.
He also raced a lot compared to many which built his reputation.
It is difficult to single any one person out as the BEST at anything, but as a kicker Skah would have to be included in the conversation and likely in the best dozen or so ever IMO.
So here is Skah out kicking Geb in a 1994 at 5,000m, 10 days after Geb broke Aouita's 5,000 record.
Geb 1993 kick:
Geb 1995 kick over Skah:
Geb 1996 kick over Skah and 2000 kick:
Man, that was ridiculous. Started his kick from about 300 out and just kept extending his lead. Aouita and El Guerrouj weren't half bad either, especially kicking in a 5000.
maybe this may help
i think skah in '94 was worth close to 12'55 ( off his devastating 13-flat which was still more a tactical race than just a pure tt ) & close to 27-flat ( he didn't run many tt over 10k but was the olympic champ ! )
line of fit of maybe :
51.7 / 1'49.1 -> 3'34.3 , 4'51.6 , 7'29.9 , 12'56.1 , 27'03.4
for geb in '94, maybe
52.1 / 1'49.6 -> 3'34.7 , 4'51.9 , 7'29.7 , 12'54.3 , 26'56.0
he only had a ~ 27'15pb back then, but it's pretty obvious in retrospect he was worth sub-27 at the time
it's possible geb was close to 0.5s slower over 400 & that showed on that last lap of that 13'00 skah win
if perhaps nearer 12'55 pace, it may have been different result
note, i do reckon the moses of '92 was better kicker than both - he ran 7'28.9wr & a 13'01 off a derisory pace for 3k & storming last 2k - he was worth at least 12'55 that day with proper pacing to 3k
51.0 / 1'48.0 -> 3'32.7 , 4'49.9 , 7'28.0 , 12'54.2 , 27'03.3
compare to line of fit at his possible peak in '98
51.0 / 1'47.2 -> 3'29.9 , 4'45.2 , 7'19.2 , 12'36.0 , 26'16.9
( he ran his 12'39wr too slow to 4k & put in blistering last 2'27 !
he was worth near 12'36 that day with quicker pace to 4k )
his actual 400/800 ratio is virtually unchanged ( indicator of endurance ) - what happened is that he just got stronger & tacked on better 400 speed to virtually unchanged endurance & that made all the difference from 12'55 down to theoretical 12'36
he had best 400 speed of any of them & likely in slow race, the best kick
he recorded a 50.6 in an 8-flat 3k, so maybe close to open 50-flat ( article says only full sprint from 250 ot )
i saw that race on tv - absolutely stunning
it's pretty obvious he was capable of well below 12'50 at even pace that year
i'd go with provisional line of fit for him as
50.0 / 1'46.2 -> 3'29.7 ! , 4'46.0 , 7'22.6 ! , 12'46.2 , 26'49.9
he couda gone 3'29 & well below 7'25 in '03 if he'd targeted those in his brief bulldozing shape when he destroyed 1st geb then kennster in races
for '85 i go with something like
48.3 / 1'44.2 -> 3'28.3 , 4'45.7 , 7'25.1 , 12'56.9 , 27'28.7
48.4 / 1'44.3 -> 3'28.4 , 4'45.6 , 7'24.8 , 12'55.9 , 27'25.4
( he is entitled to low 3'28 off a 3'29.7 with a last lap of 52.8 & pretty obvious he was worth well below 13'00 as they did jog around the 4th km before sydney picked up pace & aouita just tucked in
the 3k was always a problem for him & he just never managed to time it - we have 12'55 kenyans with little speed running 7'28/7'29 & for aouita not beating 7'32 in '85 is one of the sport's mysteries... )
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