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Obama is a Mexican
I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 1:22PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
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They see me trollin'
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 1:26PM - in reply to Obama is a Mexican Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Very obvious trolling attempt. We'll see if you get any takers.
grammar hammer
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 1:31PM - in reply to Obama is a Mexican Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You forgot a period.
Activist judges
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 1:46PM - in reply to Obama is a Mexican Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Activist judges should judge the law and not write legislation.
beltway bozo
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 1:52PM - in reply to Obama is a Mexican Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Yeah, Affordable Care Act...
liberal double-speak
read Orwell's 1984
it's like overseas contingency plan

The congressional budget office already did further
researched and revised their numbers on the affordable part,
now it's more than double, something like 1.4 Trillion
but no worries if you are like Warren Buffett and gladly
want to pay more than your fair share in taxes
Now insured since HCR passed
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 1:58PM - in reply to beltway bozo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
1.5 Million Children
2.0 Million Veterans
bugaboo
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 2:22PM - in reply to Now insured since HCR passed Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The Court is allowed to strike down legislation based on its constitutionality. It has nothing to do with activism. Activism is Griswold's "penumbras" and "emanations." Activism is substantive due process. But ruling on the extent of the commerce clause is not judicial activism.
Knowing your Place
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 2:29PM - in reply to bugaboo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Elected reps write legislation. Judges should not re-write laws to suit their particular political financiers. The Supreme Court should dismiss the current case against the Affordable Care Act to preserve our unique democracy.
JackOfAss
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 2:40PM - in reply to Obama is a Mexican Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I dont think you understand what "legislating from the bench" means.

In this case they are doing what the SCOTUS is supposed to do, look at laws passed by congress and to ensure they are constitutional.

"legislating from the bench" is when they rule on something and create new laws from their decision.

If your definition were true then every decision they make would be "Activism" or "legislating from the bench".
Pay me now or Pay me today
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 2:44PM - in reply to JackOfAss Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Clearly the U.S. Constitution has little bearing in this case. Bribery is the controlling factor.
Student Protester
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 3:30PM - in reply to Obama is a Mexican Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
There too many Nazi nutjobs on the Supreme Court today.
The Bare Facts
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 3:47PM - in reply to JackOfAss Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
There is a legitimate constitutional question on the individual mandate part of ACA. But I believe Congress has the power under the commerce clause to enact an individual mandate because no citizen will ever opt out of getting health care their entire life. Right now they just get to opt out of paying for it.

The analogy Scalia used about food and broccoli is bogus because Congress isn't dictating the type of health care everyone should get, just that they have to contribute to the third party paying system we so love in this country. The fact is no one knows what kind of health care they'll need until they get sick or hurt, aside from routine preventative care.

Of course everyone needs food. And there is no constitutional question that the Congress needs to raise revenue through taxation to ensure the food we buy and eat is safe (through funding the FDA, etc...). The fact is that if Congress simply passed a tax to fund medicare for everyone, there would be no constitutional question at all. Well folks, the individual mandate is just a tax by another name. Our politicians are just too big of pussies to admit that we need more revenue to fund a health care system that isn't wildly overpriced and inefficient.
luv2run
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 9:31PM - in reply to Knowing your Place Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Knowing your Place wrote:

Elected reps write legislation. Judges should not re-write laws to suit their particular political financiers. The Supreme Court should dismiss the current case against the Affordable Care Act to preserve our unique democracy.


1) The US is not a "democracy"
2) There is a legit constitutional issue.

When the court strikes this down, no media sympathetic to Obama should ever mention that he once taught a constitutional law class and any students who took that class should have to take it over from someone who knows the constitution.
luv2run
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 9:40PM - in reply to The Bare Facts Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The issue is that Congress can tax, but the Dems in Congress did not pass the mandate as a tax.

Also, if Congress can mandate this then what can it not mandate?

There is also the issue that buying an insurance policy is a contract and that for a contract to be legitimate both parties need to enter the contract freely. Having the government force it means it is not voluntary.(See George Will's column on this).

It might be far more constitutional for the federal government to abolish private insurance and institute a single payer system. I believe that the Democrats really want this, but they had to strike deals even with their own Democrats (Stupan and Ben Nelson) and rush this monstrosity through very fast (remember Scott Brown's election caused them to rush the process which also meant that the severability clause was left out).

The fact that the legislation was passed avoiding the term "tax" and now the Admin is saying it is a tax alone should tell people what a slimy way this law was passed.
luv2run
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 9:41PM - in reply to Student Protester Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Student Protester wrote:

There too many Nazi nutjobs on the Supreme Court today.


You are right, Kagan, Sotomayor and Ginsburg need to retire.
BRG/253
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 10:06PM - in reply to Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It's not just the mandate that's unconstitutional. The law is unconstitutional in its entirety.
68 Million Uninsured
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 10:15PM - in reply to BRG/253 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i simply hope that they change the laws so those of us who don't have insurance at least are not unfairly taxed to pay the health and dental costs for gov't, public schools, military, post office, etc. that would be too cruel to tax us to pay for a free perk that we are excluded from.
Jeff Wigand
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 10:27PM - in reply to luv2run Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

luv2run wrote:
When the court strikes this down, no media sympathetic to Obama should ever mention that he once taught a constitutional law class and any students who took that class should have to take it over from someone who knows the constitution.


Here's the thing. I can probably use one hand to count the number of Antonin Scalia's rulings that I agree with, but that in no way gives me any standing to say that the man doesn't know what he's talking about. Even though I disagree with him on nearly every subject, I know he has an absolutely brilliant mind and could make me look like a complete fool if I were to ever debate him.

Obama wasn't just an attorney; he was a constitutional law professor and formerly head of the Harvard Law Review, whose alumni include Antonin Scalia, John G. Roberts, and Paul Clement. That requires an enormous amount of intelligence and mental ability. You don't have to agree with his opinions any more than I do with Scalia's, but that doesn't mean he isn't highly educated and intelligent on the subject of constitutional law.
McFlounder
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 10:47PM - in reply to Obama is a Mexican Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Perhaps they will uphold the affordable asparagus act, mandating that all Americans without asparagus buy asparagus?
apathetic person
RE: I'm against judges legislating from the bench, thus, I hope the U.S. Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Care Act 4/2/2012 10:52PM - in reply to They see me trollin' Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The government forces things upon us all the time. I didn't sign up to have FICA taken out of my paycheck. I didn't agree to the posted speed limit on this road. Hell, you don't have to go back very far to find a military draft where people were given the option of join a war or go to jail.

At least this time the thing being forced on us addresses 1/6 of our national spending and helps millions of people.

To me this should be a nonissue. The government already does whatever they want. So they passed a law to try to fix the healthcare system. Ok.
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