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She was a very good age grouper in events as short as the 800. I would be very surprised if she is not a 4:50 miler. From what I know, she got involved in longer distances becasue she wasn't running for her school and her best opportunities where road races. I recall Decker and Gallagher running some fast times in mixed races they were invalidated. I think Gallagher ran a 4:38 mile againt boys as a junior in an all comer meet that T&F news never listed in their magaizne. I recall Gallagher running that race in the old adidas countries, in cotton shorts and t-shirt. There may end up being an issue with Cayla' 10k performance being in a mixed race. Btw, I don't have a problem with her 10k and think she can run faster. |
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For graduate school it might matter but you'd be crazy to go to Oregon over Stanford as an undergrad. The name recognition of Stanford over Oregon is out of this world. There are too many jobs where this really does matter. |
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If one considers she won the NE USATF XC Senior title last fall then performed so well at the USATF Club National XC meet, I doubt she thinks about the competition too much to fall into the trap of “pressure”, internal or external. |
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For graduate school it might matter but you'd be crazy to go to Oregon over Stanford as an undergrad. The name recognition of Stanford over Oregon is out of this world. There are too many jobs where this really does matter.[/quote] I disagree. It still depends on the major. Employers in your major should know which schools are the "best" in your major. What jobs are you saying that simply going to Stanford is so important? |
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Farmington CT? Kevin McKusker of Farmington won the NE Collegiate steeplechase in the 70s, and also the 8 mile race up Mt. Washington. There is your Farmington running history. He was a UMass Amnerst runner. |
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Not try to rain on the parade, because 33:17 is incredible for a high school girl. Lots of respect for her and her training. But I am pretty sure that the USATF/USOC will not accept a qualifying time for a woman that was set in a mixed race. |
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She and her team are not members of the public school assoc., she is still a HS kid and she and her school are members of the exclusive private school assoc., as far as the NCAA is concerned she is still a HS kid.[/quote] Thus she must run unattached in any open division. What part do you not understand? |
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Track short. Downhill. Wind blow runners around track. |
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Are you serious? Simply going to one of the best schools in the nation will open the doors to hundreds of thousands of jobs from the day she graduates until the day she dies. Going to Oregon will open doors to a small number of jobs being offered by people who happen to love Oregon. UO does not have a good academic reputation on the scale of the country's top 50 universities. Few people care about the reputation of the department that granted you your *undergraduate* degree. Sorry. By the way, what departments at UO have a better reputation than Stanford? |
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Are you serious? Simply going to one of the best schools in the nation will open the doors to hundreds of thousands of jobs from the day she graduates until the day she dies. Going to Oregon will open doors to a small number of jobs being offered by people who happen to love Oregon. UO does not have a good academic reputation on the scale of the country's top 50 universities. Few people care about the reputation of the department that granted you your *undergraduate* degree. Sorry. By the way, what departments at UO have a better reputation than Stanford?[/quote] UO graduate school has #1-#10 rankings in education, business, and English. |
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touched by god or trained hard since fifth grade, which one? this is a phenomenal time and announced before april 1? |
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This is a longer discussion than I care to engage in, but education is important and I don't want people to be misled. First, undergraduate majors aren't typically ranked (at least not the way the term is commonly used), with a few exceptions. Colleges are, and certain programs are. Second, you use the phrase "employers in your major should know" -- but you are making three false assumptions: 1. That you won't want to change your major during college. 2. That you are always going to apply for jobs that your major directly trained you for. 3. That what the employer "should" know is the same as what the employer *does* know. Realistically, everyone knows Stanford is one of the top universities in the country. This isn't about connections, it's about trying to be sure that you're hiring great people. A 3.8 GPA from Stanford doesn't leave any doubts in the mind of the recruiter. |
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Which major? Oregon could easily be the better choice depending on the specific academic major and if she wants to be a pro runner.[/quote] In what majors is Stanford better than Oregon in? Even in fields like Education, where Oregon is very strong, Stanford is better. But I agree, if she wants to be a pro runner Oregon is the probably the better choice. |
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So you think most employers looking for people with undergraduate degrees in education, business, or English, would rather hire someone from UO than from Stanford? |
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This must be a troll... First of all, she can think about graduate school rankings when she goes to graduate school. She's 18. (And a fantastic runner by the way! I'm sorry to derail this thread, but that was a spectacular run. Congratulations to her!) Second, from the UO homepage, Stanford is #4, Oregon is #8 in education: U.S. Top Ten* Public and Private Graduate Schools of Education 1. Vanderbilt University (Peabody) (TN) 2. Harvard University (MA) 2. University of Texas–Austin 4. Stanford University (CA) 4. Teachers College, Columbia University (NY) 6. University of California–Los Angeles* 7. Northwestern University (IL) 8. University of Oregon* 9. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 9. University of Washington 9. University of Wisconsin–Madison 12. University of California–Berkeley Stanford is #1, Oregon is #91 in Business (did I read this wrong?): http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/university-of-oregon-lundquist-01186 http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/mediamentions_rankings.html Stanford is #2 in English, Oregon is #52: http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/english-rankings |
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This is a longer discussion than I care to engage in, but education is important and I don't want people to be misled. First, undergraduate majors aren't typically ranked (at least not the way the term is commonly used), with a few exceptions. Colleges are, and certain programs are. Second, you use the phrase "employers in your major should know" -- but you are making three false assumptions: 1. That you won't want to change your major during college. 2. That you are always going to apply for jobs that your major directly trained you for. 3. That what the employer "should" know is the same as what the employer *does* know. Realistically, everyone knows Stanford is one of the top universities in the country. This isn't about connections, it's about trying to be sure that you're hiring great people. A 3.8 GPA from Stanford doesn't leave any doubts in the mind of the recruiter.[/quote] I didn't make any of those assumptions. And Oregon is a "top school" also (graduate and undergraduate). In fact, it is rated higher than Stanford in some majors. I never said that Stanford was NOT a top school. My argument was that Oregon is ALSO. But that it also doesn't matter where you go as long as you pick up the experience and education you need as well as knowing how to market yourself. It's a shame that other schools don't have the prestige that Stanford does. A 3.8 at Stanford isn't NECESSARILY as impressive as people think. Lots of curving, relaxed grading, and the subject matter is the same at just about every university. When did this start? Has Stanford always been regarded as a top school? |
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The last time ANY of those girls ran a 10000 was probably more than nine months ago. Young women tend to improve over that kind of time, and as TD says, conditions were especially good.
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So you think most employers looking for people with undergraduate degrees in education, business, or English, would rather hire someone from UO than from Stanford?[/quote] If UO was the better program and provided better experience, why wouldn't an employer pick them over a Stanford person? Explain why you think the opposite |
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Which major? Oregon could easily be the better choice depending on the specific academic major and if she wants to be a pro runner.[/quote] In what majors is Stanford better than Oregon in? Even in fields like Education, where Oregon is very strong, Stanford is better. But I agree, if she wants to be a pro runner Oregon is the probably the better choice.[/quote] In certain sub fields of education, UO is ranked #1. You don't major in a field of science in graduate school, you major in a sub field. |
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This must be a troll... First of all, she can think about graduate school rankings when she goes to graduate school. She's 18. (And a fantastic runner by the way! I'm sorry to derail this thread, but that was a spectacular run. Congratulations to her!) Second, from the UO homepage, Stanford is #4, Oregon is #8 in education: U.S. Top Ten* Public and Private Graduate Schools of Education 1. Vanderbilt University (Peabody) (TN) 2. Harvard University (MA) 2. University of Texas–Austin 4. Stanford University (CA) 4. Teachers College, Columbia University (NY) 6. University of California–Los Angeles* 7. Northwestern University (IL) 8. University of Oregon* 9. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 9. University of Washington 9. University of Wisconsin–Madison 12. University of California–Berkeley Stanford is #1, Oregon is #91 in Business (did I read this wrong?): http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/university-of-oregon-lundquist-01186 http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/mediamentions_rankings.html Stanford is #2 in English, Oregon is #52: http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/english-rankings[/quote] No, I doubt that you read it wrong. But like I told the other guy, you don't major in a field in grad school, you major in a sub field. Even in undergrad, there are many different majors that fall under "business". What this means for you is that UO does have #1 rankings in some parts of education. Every school has strengths and weaknesses in every field. UO has a #1 ranking in things like sports business and marketing, etc. With Nike nearby, there's probably a great exercise physiology or medical school cardiovascular and musculoskeletal programs also. Easy spot to gain some internships and employment experience. |