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DocLove
RE: We have 5 runners, that can break 11 seconds in the 100m. Help with 4x100 training. 3/30/2012 5:21PM - in reply to KobeDoinWork24 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wear are they running the relay and have you found a batoon

You can use old golfing shoes as cheap spikes but you may need to find another block to make starting blocks and then take terns using them
HS Coach2
RE: We have 5 runners, that can break 11 seconds in the 100m. Help with 4x100 training. 3/30/2012 5:24PM - in reply to oldfastguy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wow, if only I knew as much about sprinting as you did I would have mentioned Bolt running the third leg. Oh wait, I did. You may have been a successful sprinter but I guarantee you're no coach. The best relay teams work their sticks and work them a lot. That's why the US has a lot of dqs and losses over the last 30 years in championship 4x1s. They seem to follow your advice. On second thought, maybe you are a coach. Possibly of one of our many failed relay teams.
oldfastguy
RE: We have 5 runners, that can break 11 seconds in the 100m. Help with 4x100 training. 3/31/2012 2:40PM - in reply to HS Coach2 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

HS Coach2 wrote:

Wow, if only I knew as much about sprinting as you did I would have mentioned Bolt running the third leg. Oh wait, I did. You may have been a successful sprinter but I guarantee you're no coach. The best relay teams work their sticks and work them a lot. That's why the US has a lot of dqs and losses over the last 30 years in championship 4x1s. They seem to follow your advice. On second thought, maybe you are a coach. Possibly of one of our many failed relay teams.


And did I tell you that I coached two successful Olympic and national level athletes? Plus high school and a lot of locals athletes - which is what I prefer. If you can't spend 7 days a week, you don't have the time and commitment to coach a top guy.

I am /was a great coach. It's not that hard. You just have to have a feel for the event and stop making it so fcking hard for your athletes. Especially at High School. Your goal there should be to allow them to enjoy, get fit, run faster, and have some feeling of control over what they are doing. And you do have to work on your changes. I didn't see anything I wrote that pooped on that idea. I spent hours on changes. Every fast session ended with changes. Warm-ups with a baton are helpful. Parloof relays are great preparation.

And I am not American. The USA relay teams are perenial underachievers.

As I mentioned. The changes are busy and there are only a few people who have the balls to operate without panic.

US sprinters always tended to be anchor men in college, so the end up like Ron Burgundy in a tight race.

Putting them in to a training squad is too little and too late. Especially when they don't even have the top sprinters anymore.

And Bolt should be running anchor for Jamaica. He did when they set the world record. I suspect he isn't cos their current anchor is missing the glory of a win, and is not good at handing off.

Asafa Powell should be running first. But I suspect he doesn't like the pressure of the start, and is not good at hand-offs. As well as this is the only chance for him to cross the line first.

No one should over think coaching. Or underestimate the importance of helping your people understand what they are doing. Its usually the average athletes who pay attention who become the future coaches. Your 'stars' are usually not.

And they succeed through brute strength and not knowing any better. When that eventually fails, they quit and leave the sport.
HS Coach2
RE: We have 5 runners, that can break 11 seconds in the 100m. Help with 4x100 training. 3/31/2012 4:20PM - in reply to oldfastguy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You may be a great sprint coach but you know nothing about how to get the fastest relay team possible. Any well coached ten year old can handle an exchange without panic. (But not if there coach is a drama queen.) Relays are all about math. If you don't know how to handle fly zones then, yes, any order will do, but maximizing fly zones will get you a half second ahead of teams that don't.


oldfastguy wrote:

And did I tell you that I coached two successful Olympic and national level athletes? Plus high school and a lot of locals athletes - which is what I prefer. If you can't spend 7 days a week, you don't have the time and commitment to coach a top guy.

I am /was a great coach. It's not that hard. You just have to have a feel for the event and stop making it so fcking hard for your athletes. Especially at High School. Your goal there should be to allow them to enjoy, get fit, run faster, and have some feeling of control over what they are doing. And you do have to work on your changes. I didn't see anything I wrote that pooped on that idea. I spent hours on changes. Every fast session ended with changes. Warm-ups with a baton are helpful. Parloof relays are great preparation.

And I am not American. The USA relay teams are perenial underachievers.

As I mentioned. The changes are busy and there are only a few people who have the balls to operate without panic.

US sprinters always tended to be anchor men in college, so the end up like Ron Burgundy in a tight race.

Putting them in to a training squad is too little and too late. Especially when they don't even have the top sprinters anymore.

And Bolt should be running anchor for Jamaica. He did when they set the world record. I suspect he isn't cos their current anchor is missing the glory of a win, and is not good at handing off.

Asafa Powell should be running first. But I suspect he doesn't like the pressure of the start, and is not good at hand-offs. As well as this is the only chance for him to cross the line first.

No one should over think coaching. Or underestimate the importance of helping your people understand what they are doing. Its usually the average athletes who pay attention who become the future coaches. Your 'stars' are usually not.

And they succeed through brute strength and not knowing any better. When that eventually fails, they quit and leave the sport.
oldfastguy
RE: We have 5 runners, that can break 11 seconds in the 100m. Help with 4x100 training. 4/1/2012 7:10AM - in reply to HS Coach2 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This is where you hold your breath till you turn blue.

Any 10 year old? That confirms it for me. Poorly trained 10 year olds can make a change. They aren't fast enough to have any problems. The fact that you are talking about international zones in your coaching is an indication. If you are talking about it to 10 year olds you are making it more complicated.


When I ran D 1 in the US I coached the relay teams. Not the 'coach'.
I've run in 39 sec relays. And I haven't raced for 30 years. You know nothing about it.

16 big guys running 25 mph + in 8 lanes making a change. And your example is training 10 year olds.

You read a book, toilet train a child and think you have insight.

My job is done here. Let them run, get out of their way. Guidance rather than direction.
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