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Reality Bath
If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/9/2012 10:40PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
"Only" 2500 feet, but across the board five seconds slower/mile.
marijuologist 
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/9/2012 10:42PM - in reply to Reality Bath Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Too many potatoes...heavy meals slow them down.
may be a touch
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/9/2012 10:48PM - in reply to Reality Bath Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
There was a new NCAA meet record in the men's 5000m.

The DMRs were slow because the mile legs slowed up.
mwalke03@leeu.edu
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/9/2012 11:03PM - in reply to may be a touch Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It's called a championship race.
Reality Bath
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/9/2012 11:23PM - in reply to may be a touch Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
By a guy running almost 20 seconds slower than his recent PR and by accounts looking strained in doing so. As for "championships" arguments, look at last years results and you'll see a lot of the same players (Estrada, Leonard K) running significantly slower this year. Something is "in the air".
M.C. Confusing
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/9/2012 11:27PM - in reply to Reality Bath Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Reality Bath wrote:

By a guy running almost 20 seconds slower than his recent PR and by accounts looking strained in doing so. As for "championships" arguments, look at last years results and you'll see a lot of the same players (Estrada, Leonard K) running significantly slower this year. Something is "in the air".


Yeah because all championship races play out the same. Sometimes no one wants to take it, and the races end up slower because no one gives two shits about time in these races. The fact that Lawi was such an odds on favorite most likely slowed the race down because no one wants to go after him with the exception of Derrick, Sambu and Korir....and two of them didn't have good races today. The rest are left to their own rather than chasing like last year.
water company
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/9/2012 11:53PM - in reply to Reality Bath Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
There is an oxygen difference, just not as severe as higher altitudes. 2500ft has about 90-93% of sea level oxygen, whereas somewhere like Denver is about 10% less.
water company
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/9/2012 11:54PM - in reply to water company Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
* 10% less than 2500ft
altitude facts
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/9/2012 11:55PM - in reply to water company Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
2500 is considered altitude training. It's like 2730 there. Times are going to be slower in anything over 400 meters.
Touche
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 12:06AM - in reply to altitude facts Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
USATF doesn't offer adjustments til 3000. The times were slow because everyone ran tactical like they do in most championship meets. Was Eugene slow by two + minutes when Rupp won the 10 in over 29 minutes last year?
oh man come on
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 12:14AM - in reply to Reality Bath Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
On the women's side, the times were much faster this year (30 seconds). So obviously one should conclude that a slight elevation such as Boise actually helps distance races, before reaching higher elevations which then reverse the effect and begin being detrimental to performances.




Reality Bath wrote:

By a guy running almost 20 seconds slower than his recent PR and by accounts looking strained in doing so. As for "championships" arguments, look at last years results and you'll see a lot of the same players (Estrada, Leonard K) running significantly slower this year. Something is "in the air".
Reality Bath
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 4:28AM - in reply to oh man come on Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
So Miles Batty, a 3:54 for *full* mile, gets the stick in 7th, and "runs tactical" to barely break 3:58 for 1600 #^%* meters in a losing effort? Yeah right. Almost every year guys are running 3:55-ish to close their DMRs, and I recall Bayer running 3:53, and this year, in the deepest field of milers ever, guys are struggling with 3:58-4:00. I believe the reactions of the athletes' bodies vs. the armchair opinions of "tactical, tactical tactical" excuse-makers. Altitude is having an effect out there.
waste of time
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 5:40AM - in reply to Reality Bath Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
"I believe the reactions of the athletes' bodies vs. the armchair opinions of "tactical, tactical tactical" excuse-makers. Altitude is having an effect out there.”

Well, since you already had the answer, why did you start the thread?
HS Coach2
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 8:22AM - in reply to Reality Bath Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Batty ran way off the back and had a huge kick; he just miscalculated. Yes, it was poor tactics. The altitude would have effected him in the last 600 of the race, not the first 600. The fact that he had enough left to pass so many people even though he was forced into the outside to pass proves he had too much left. According to you, Arkansas altitude must be really terrible. In 2010, no one including Olympian Andrew Wheating broke 4 on the anchor. That must be the secret to Arkansas success for so many years, the altitude training. And this "armchair opinion" comes from a guy who has raced in Boise.


Reality Bath wrote:

So Miles Batty, a 3:54 for *full* mile, gets the stick in 7th, and "runs tactical" to barely break 3:58 for 1600 #^%* meters in a losing effort? Yeah right. Almost every year guys are running 3:55-ish to close their DMRs, and I recall Bayer running 3:53, and this year, in the deepest field of milers ever, guys are struggling with 3:58-4:00. I believe the reactions of the athletes' bodies vs. the armchair opinions of "tactical, tactical tactical" excuse-makers. Altitude is having an effect out there.
Giant Johnson
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 9:20AM - in reply to HS Coach2 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The effect is negligible. 2,500 ft. is still low altitude.

/thread
break it up
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 9:21AM - in reply to HS Coach2 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I thought that there was a slight effect when I raced in Provo. I don't think you have to go to 5000 feet to be affected.
joho
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 9:27AM - in reply to Giant Johnson Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Giant Johnson wrote:

The effect is negligible. 2,500 ft. is still low altitude.

/thread



I live at about 400 ft. I would think that 2,500 ft would have an impact on me if I was in a race situation and trying to ran as fast as I possibly could.

If 2,500 ft has no impact, at what point does altitude become a factor? I have run a race at 5,000 and there is definitely impact there.
Sagarin
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 9:44AM - in reply to joho Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It might have a minimal impact, but not even close to some of the adjustments people have suggested on these boards.
Woro
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 9:54AM - in reply to oh man come on Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

oh man come on wrote:

On the women's side, the times were much faster this year (30 seconds). So obviously one should conclude that a slight elevation such as Boise actually helps distance races, before reaching higher elevations which then reverse the effect and begin being detrimental to performances.



Like women's running matters ....
break it up
RE: If Boise is not affected by altitude, why all the slow dist. times? 3/10/2012 9:55AM - in reply to break it up Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

break it up wrote:

I thought that there was a slight effect when I raced in Provo. I don't think you have to go to 5000 feet to be affected.


I guess because Provo is 4500 feet.
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