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Guppy
RE: Has feminism become synonymous with misandry? 2/19/2012 6:58PM - in reply to No hablo espanol Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

No hablo espanol wrote:

You seem to ignore the ever growing number of female providers still held to society's traditional view of women as care taker for their families and husbands. Many men in such households still cling to traditional views on gender roles for women. They expect their wives to cook, clean, shop and raise their children while they sit on their lazy asses all day criticizing, judging and generally being flagrant dicks. You can't have it both ways, guys. You want your women to contribute from a monetary perspective and you also want them to be submissive doormats.


Your assertion that men are just sitting on their asses doing nothing is ridiculous and discredits your post as you don't seem to have a grip on reality if you think that is anywhere near the norm. The vast majority of men do not expect their wives to be both the breadwinner and the caregiver. I know a dozen guys with families and none are like this, nor was it like this in my own home growing up or my best friend's home growing up. No one on this thread is asking to have it both ways. Generally whoever works less is expected to spend more time with the family, and this is usually women (I do know one family in which it's reversed, though). Since men usually work more than women, it only makes sense for the woman to spend more time doing things around the house in her off-time since the man is still working during this time. If both work equal amounts, both should help out around the house equal amounts. I also know that in some countries, when a couple has a child, the father or the mother are allowed to take 2 years of maternity/paternity leave to raise the child to toddler age and whoever does is paid their regular wage during this time. One works while the other stays home to raise the child, and it is frequently the man who stays home in the country I learned this about.

Any man who expects his wife to work as much or more than himself and do more than him around the house is a loser, I agree, and I think most men would agree as this does not represent the typical man.
I don't
RE: Has feminism become synonymous with misandry? 2/19/2012 9:31PM - in reply to Red, White and Whatever Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Red, White and Whatever wrote:

dude..the fact that you are quoting from the most racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic media source in the entire world makes your point null and void.


I Don't wrote:

This 2009 article is fairly chilling. The anti-male movement has very real and crippling consequences for America.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/659dkrod.asp



Classic. If you can't challenge the points made in the article, go after the media source. I don't care where the article appeared, it was written by Christina Hoff Sommers. Google her yourself since you don't care for my links. The last thing feminists ever want to do is engage in an honest debate.
Ghhjl
RE: Has feminism become synonymous with misandry? 2/19/2012 9:41PM - in reply to No hablo espanol Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

No hablo espanol wrote:

You seem to ignore the ever growing number of female providers still held to society's traditional view of women as care taker for their families and husbands. Many men in such households still cling to traditional views on gender roles for women. They expect their wives to cook, clean, shop and raise their children while they sit on their lazy asses all day criticizing, judging and generally being flagrant dicks. You can't have it both ways, guys. You want your women to contribute from a monetary perspective and you also want them to be submissive doormats.


Hold the presses! There deadbeat guys out there????? You think society looks at those guys as anything other than deadbeats?

Society looks at men who can't or won't provide for their families as deadbeats. Women who can't or won't produce for their family have the option of being stay at home mothers and society says "Hurray for you!"

I don't know one guy who wouldn't be supportive of his wife getting a job. And I don't know or financially secure family where the woman is forced to work. I do know hoards of woman who would dump their significant others or have never dated them in the first place If they didn't think that they would be good providers.

Get over yourself women. You arent oppressed.
Just a fact
RE: Has feminism become synonymous with misandry? 2/19/2012 9:45PM - in reply to Ghhjl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Ghhjl wrote:

...Get over yourself women. You arent oppressed.


A fundamental problem with your posts is that they leave the impression that you are projecting the thoughts/opinions/actions of one or a few onto an entire gender.

This is a mistake.
Guppy
RE: Has feminism become synonymous with misandry? 2/20/2012 1:51AM - in reply to Just a fact Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
One last post on this thread... this girl makes some points: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSdZlPKHpUQ&feature=BFa&list=FLL2p7L6KsQu1AAggg799xfQ&lf=BFp
I Don't
RE: Has feminism become synonymous with misandry? 2/20/2012 6:12PM - in reply to Guppy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Guppy wrote:

One last post on this thread... this girl makes some points: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSdZlPKHpUQ&feature=BFa&list=FLL2p7L6KsQu1AAggg799xfQ&lf=BFp


That was terrific. She made some excellent points.
Ghhjl
RE: Has feminism become synonymous with misandry? 2/20/2012 7:57PM - in reply to I Don't Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

I Don't wrote:


Guppy wrote:

One last post on this thread... this girl makes some points: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSdZlPKHpUQ&feature=BFa&list=FLL2p7L6KsQu1AAggg799xfQ&lf=BFp


That was terrific. She made some excellent points.



All i heard was, "Im smoking hot."

Haha jk. That was intentionally misogynistic.

In all seriousness that was impressive. Brilliant, beautiful woman.
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