I believe the language is Portuguese.
Great stuff, especially the really young Coe!
I believe the language is Portuguese.
Great stuff, especially the really young Coe!
said88: Your site is tremendous. I was searching for years, literally, to come across some of those career/seasonal statistics. Is there any possibility you could list on your site the career race stats for the following athletes?
Gaston Roelants
Harald Norpoth
Jean Wadoux
Michel Bernard
Siegfried Herrmann
Anders Garderud
Ron Clarke
Kipchoge Keino
Mohamed Gammoudi
David Bedford
Continued good luck with your site - it's one of the best of its kind out there. Thanks for your efforts to compile those stats for those of us who enjoy looking through them.
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BIG bump from me - would LOVE to see more of those yearly results for world-class runners of the past.
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not teenage years, but here is Coe running relay legs
England V Italy V Scotland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FktMJWzpqHg&feature=related
England V USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZGonCBaOM&feature=related
WR GBR 4 x 800m
Could you type a list of all the books on Seb Coe?
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said88: Your site is tremendous. I was searching for years, literally, to come across some of those career/seasonal statistics. Is there any possibility you could list on your site the career race stats for the following athletes?
Gaston Roelants
Harald Norpoth
Jean Wadoux
Michel Bernard
Siegfried Herrmann
Anders Garderud
Ron Clarke
Kipchoge Keino
Mohamed Gammoudi
David Bedford
Continued good luck with your site - it's one of the best of its kind out there. Thanks for your efforts to compile those stats for those of us who enjoy looking through them.
Thanks. I don't want to put too many of my stats on my site; please send me an email.
Specifically on Coe!?
There are 3 parts to his biography, written with David Miller:-
1) Running Free (1981)
2) Coming Back (1984)
3) Born to Run (1992), which has sections from the previous 2 books.
There is aslo Pat Butcher's book from a few years ago, "The Perfect Distance- Ovett and Coe: The Record Breaking Rivalry".
Another great book, long out of print is, "The Coe & Ovett File" by Mel Watman (1982) which has the vast majority of articles & interviews with both athletes going back to 1972.
Hope that helps.
Down the backstretch wrote:
Did daddy Coe coach any other athletes?
Coached Wendy Sly and Peter Wirz (Swiss 1500m runner who made Olympic final in 84) in 1988 and after.
There is a book called Running Free by Seb Coe that lists his junior track races and times in the Appendix. Other than that, not too much in it about his teenage years.
One of Jim Spivey's threads suggests that Peter Coe coached a team of runners along with Seb.
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codger wrote:I think it is generally accepted that Seb's break-through race was his 1:47.7 800 late in the 1976 season.
Of course, it depends on your interpretation of break-through.
Yes, you're absolutely right. Up to that 800 time trial in Stretford (1:47.7), Coe had been primarily a 1500/3000m runner. It represented a pb of over 3 secs, and was run off very little "specific" 800 training.
Although he never scaled the same dizzy heights as a junior as say Ovett (European senior silver at 800m at 18) or Ryun, Coe was still world class in his teens (for the time!) before fully developing physically at about 20/21.
People forget that he was the best 16 year old in the UK at 3000m (winning the English Schools title in 1973 in 8:40), and actually came 10th in the national X country in 1972 aged 15, a year younger than most of those (including Ovett in 2nd) ahead of him.
By 18 he was the European Junior bronze medallist over 1500m in 1975 (3:45.2).
I read somewhere that he came 2nd in the Yorkshire Schools 100m when he was 10 or 11, so he clearly had great natural speed from an early age. When he joined Hallamshire Harriers at about 12, he ran mainly X-Country and distance races on the road. This seems to be the pattern for most of his early teens, thus building himself a solid endurance base.
1976 and 1977 seem to be the turning point when he emerged as a serious contender for top honours. After his 1:47 pb at the end of 76, he emerged on the indoor scene in early 77 to win several top 800m races, culminating in an undefeated campaign with 3 British records and a front running gold medal performance in the European indoors, where he ran 1:46.5, missing the World indoor WR by 0.1.
After missing most of the early outdoor season with injury (his first race wasn't until July), he got into his stride late that year: - he outkicked Bayi ( the then 1500m WR holder) to win the famous Emsley Carr Mile in 3:57 and set his first UK outdoor record of 1:44.95, which made him the 4th fastest in the world that year. The next big step forward was joining Loughborough Uni at the end of 77 and starting a regimen of weights and plyometrics under George Gandy. It was at this stage that he was able to "tap in" and develop through strength, that natural speed he had shown from an early age.
Here are a couple of links to videos on Youtube which show his "gangly" form as a young teenager. The programme is in Italian I think, but stick with it, as there is footage of him I've never seen anywhere else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJcz1OHxZUIIt's about 1:10 mins in on this first part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNq6f7VCqgQ&feature=relatedThere's a bit more (not much) in the last 2 mins of this section.
Hope this helps the OP!
Dean, I'm wondering if seeing the 1976 Olympics on television lit a flame under Seb.
Remember, he did compete in the 1976 Olympic trials AKA AAA champs.
A look at Coe's racing as a junior.
Just before his 20th birthday, he ran major pr's of 1:47.7 800m and 3:58 mile.
Prior to that year, you would not have considered him that great a prospect by present American hs standards. I had a teammate who broke 1:55 as a sophomore at 15 or 16 years old back in the '80s. Coe didn't show a huge amount of talent. Loughborough and its strength coaches and their steroids (Loughborough scientists at that very time were running experiments with steroids) must have made a huge difference.
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Just before his 20th birthday, he ran major pr's of 1:47.7 800m and 3:58 mile.
Prior to that year, you would not have considered him that great a prospect by present American hs standards. I had a teammate who broke 1:55 as a sophomore at 15 or 16 years old back in the '80s. Coe didn't show a huge amount of talent. Loughborough and its strength coaches and their steroids (Loughborough scientists at that very time were running experiments with steroids) must have made a huge difference.
Coe weighed 112 pounds in the Euro '78 800 final. Those must have been some faulty steroids.
Short clip of 19 yr old Coe finishing 3rd in mile behind Moorcroft and Walker
Idiot. Coe was a county standard medalist over 60yds as an 11 year old school boy. He was 10th in the National X Country Champs at 15, when most of those ahead were a year older. So he had exceptional endurance from an early age. Then he won the English Schools 3000m at 16, making the best at the distance in the country, for his age. And was 3rd best junior in Europe over 1500m at 18 So he had excellent endurance base as a teen for when he moved down to 800m for speed work at 19.
He was always one of the leading athletes in his age group from his early teens.
Forget those mainstream books. If you really want some training nuggets about Coe and Overt get a copy of the book The Coe Overt File. It was put out in the UK in late 1981 not long after Coe ran his 3:47.33 in Brussels. It was edited by Mel Watman. It is a compilation of articles from the pages of Athletics Weekly. There are no training schedules per se in the book but most of the articles have nuggets of info into what Coe and Overt were doing from 14 years old and up. The first articles mention Overt from about 1973. The photos are reproduced excellently. The book is on very nice paper and is professionally done and edited. The front cover has a color head on photo of the Moscow 800 finish.
I bought mine in early 1982 from I believe Track and Field News. It is on my Amazon book seller account. Just search on Amazon for "Coe Overt File". There are 4 copies for sale. Mine is for sale for $90.00. My account is called Tremendum Books. Ships from San Jose so you would get it anywhere in the 48 states within a week. My copy is in very good to almost new condition. I've read it many times. Also has great insight I haven't seen in other places as to their mind set and mental prep by Coe and Overt and their coaches. To me if I didn't have it I would pay up to $200.
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