So Ritz can run USATF XC a month after marathon trials, but Rupp can't run 10K 8 months after?

Bobbzy wrote:

Double standard?

Ritz>Rupp

Anyone need evidence that Salazar/Rupp/ORPJT haters simply read what they want to read, exhibit A is the OP.

Rupp and his coach, Alberto Salazar, told The Oregonian that recovery from a January marathon would hinder Rupp's ability to work on his finishing kick for this summer's London Olympics.

Would hinder TRAINING...not racing.

See Ritz in Zurich in 2009 beat/scare the shit out of African after African:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKMZfYn6e80

4-5 months after running London. Yup, you can't outkick any Africans after running a marathon.

Next excuse?

So you're saying Ritz would be able to RACE after a marathon, but Rupp woudn't even be able to TRAIN? Are you eveb listening to yourself? This doesn't make a lick of sense. Rupp fanboys believe what they want, but the evidence is stacked against him...the guy's a major POON! Talented poon, but still very much a poon.

Ritz, on the other hand, is a certified badass MFr.

Truth.

What's your 5K PR?

Thats what I thought.

coach d wrote:

See Ritz in Zurich in 2009 beat/scare the shit out of African after African:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKMZfYn6e80

4-5 months after running London. Yup, you can't outkick any Africans after running a marathon.

Next excuse?

Ritz wasn't going to end his season after the marathon. He switched coaches, reacted well to the training, and stepped down to the track and ran some amazing times. That wasn't planned. Nobody going back in time would have said, if you want to run 12:56 this summer, go run the london Marathon in April which was widely considered a major flop for him. I also believe he didn't feel very taxed after the race physically as he had other problems that slowed him down.

Nobody is saying you can't outkick someone after running a marathon. They are saying if your goal is the 10k in the olympics, don't run a major marathon leading up to your preparation. I don't think that is unusual or uncommon!?? Geb or Bek never ran a marathon before their olympic 10k (with the exception of Geb when he did it because he didn't think he could handle the smog in Bejing). Why would Rupp be any different? Pretty sure nobody is prescribing marathons as 5k/10k preperation these days if that's your main goal.

Ritz's marathon did not help him, his training for it might have, but i don't think the actual race did.

mr. facts. wrote:

What's your 5K PR?

Thats what I thought.

Lol. What's yours?

What's the price of tea have to do with any of this? Stop your republican smoke and mirror tricks. I asked why is one thing ok for Ritz, but not for Rupp? The fact that my 5k pr is waaaaay faster than yours has nothing to do with this...take some meds and try to stay on point here.

I'm NOT a fan of marathons. But the facts simply are that Ritz broke the 5000 AR 4 months after running a marathon. You can't argue that. He did it.

Whether you're talking 800 or 10000, kicking in a mid/long distance race is a combination of strength and speed. It's also true that Alberto had Ritz doing a bunch on speedwork that he hadn't been doing AFTER running the marathon. And a rational person would argue that they both had an impact in Ritz' performance in 2009.

Ritz shouldn't run XC. He probably begged Alberto to do it because he has this intense "must make 10K team" mentality and wants to get right on it but he shouldn't do it. As injury prone as he is? Dude should rest and then do a couple road races in March and then some track races

I think the most important thing you aren't taking into account is the actual quality of the two decisions. Yes, Ritz' decision is more "badass" but that doesn't mean that it's smarter or better.

Take a look the careers of each athlete.

- Rupp has been more cautious and in return has had an almost entirely healthy and injury free career steadily improving year after year.

- Ritz has, well ya know, been injured a little. Ritz is more talented and certainly has the potential to do some realllly big things...but only if he can stay healthy. I will make absolutely no claim to know what his current condition is. I don't know how he's feeling after the marathon, how his training's going, etc. But, for someone as fragile as Ritz, it certainly makes me at least question the quality of the decision.

Bobbzy wrote:

Double standard?

Ritz>Rupp

Ritz is not Rupp.

Rupp is not Ritz.

These are two different people with different strengths and weaknesses. It is obvious to me (and should be to you) that Salazar recognizes this and that is why they (or any runner) shouldn't be held to the exact same guidelines in their training.

Bobbzy wrote:

Double standard?

Ritz>Rupp

Rupp didn't run the Marathon because his best shot at a medal is the 10k. Ritz ran the Marathon because he thought it was his best shot at a medal.

Now Ritz has no choice but to keep running if he wants to make the team in June! If Ritz would of made the team in the marathon he would not be running XC and getting ready for the 10k in June.

Bobbzy wrote:

So you're saying Ritz would be able to RACE after a marathon, but Rupp woudn't even be able to TRAIN? Are you eveb listening to yourself? This doesn't make a lick of sense. Rupp fanboys believe what they want, but the evidence is stacked against him...the guy's a major POON! Talented poon, but still very much a poon.

Ritz, on the other hand, is a certified badass MFr.

Truth.

Anyway white boy that can run sub 13min 5km and sub 27min 10km has to be a badass Mfr regardless what kind of person he is.

Two very different runners at different stages in their career.

London was not Ritz's first marathon. He was experienced and had trained adequately for marathons.

The O.T. would have been Rupp's debut at the marathon. So it would have been more of a role of the dice. Who's to say how he would have recovered. Maybe he would have recovered great, maybe he wouldn't have. Bottom line is they had no actual evidence as to what the marathon would take out of him because he had never run one.

As someone else mentioned, AlSal has always been very conservative/careful with Rupp. It was obviously not a chance he was willing to take.

I don't think you can compare two very different people's situations. Every runner is different and their bodies respond differently to different situations. That's why they have a coach - to help make those decisions and take those differences into account.

We don't see either one of them workout every day and we are not in a position to judge.

It's all about the age difference. When I was 25 3 hours of daily exercise would break me and make me catch colds after a couple of weeks. 5 years makes a huge difference. My injuries don't heal as fast but the body can take a sh*t ton more abuse before breaking.

Obviously the real reason Rupp didn't run the Trials is because he wants to debut at a major marathon and earn a huge paycheck.

coach bigfoot wrote:

Ritz is not Rupp.

Rupp is not Ritz.

These are two different people with different strengths and weaknesses. It is obvious to me (and should be to you) that Salazar recognizes this and that is why they (or any runner) shouldn't be held to the exact same guidelines in their training.

That's exactly what I was going to write. Salazar's a smart enough coach to treat each of his athletes differently, rather than applying come cookie-cutter "what's good for this guy is good for all guys" approach. Why this isn't patently obvious to everyone is pretty amazing.

The Olympic Trials are more important than USATF XC. If Ritz bombs XC because of the marathon he just ran, it's no big deal.

mr. facts. wrote:

What's your 5K PR?

Thats what I thought.

Ah, high schoolers alive and well on LetsRun.

I think people are just pointing out that the person described is constantly changing. On moment Rupp is as fast as anyone in the word but just not strong enough to use that speed at the end of a race. Then he's needing to work on his speed and not do something that works on his strength. So what kind of person is he? The same coach is saying opposite things about the same runner. Putting it all together Rupp is not strong enough or fast enough so he needing to work on everything. So just say that.