60 seconds per lap in a 3:45 1500m.
That = 15 seconds per 100 meters
the extra distance in the mile is less than 10meters
1 tenth of 15 seconds is 1.5 seconds
If A person hold paces A 3:45=x<4:015
Just saying I think the conversion chart people come up with is Crap.
An elite runner can hold their average 1500m pace (we are talking even their slower first 2 laps) for another 100m.
If they couldn't they should have 100 bricks tossed in their face.
I have always wondered about the conversion stuff. I think you have a strong point. You could even be conservative and take the slowest lap and go off of that.
In the case of the best milers that could be a 54 second lap. That makes Hicham's 3:26 all the more impressive
Why not just run the 1500 only that way we dont have to worry about conversion.
Real Runners know what we are talking about.
If anyone asks how fast you run the mile say,
Lets find out I'll race you tomorrow.
You should convert correctly.
17 seconds under 3:40
18 seconds under 3:55
19 seconds uner 4:10
20 seconds under 4:20
Wonderful thinking we should run the 2640foot race as well.
Here is a proposal: We could just keep things the same it seems to be working.
Switching to the mile isn't going to cause a flood of popularity in track and field.
If we are really hungry for changing the sport lets begin by turning cross country back into cross country.
|hold the phone|
Yeah... that's exactly the point. The Dream Mile is still exactly the same as it was 30 years ago, but not as many people care about -- including you, apparently. It's still a mile, not 1500m, but that hasn't prevented its popularity from waning. It's not about the distance.
Did somebody mention Cross Country Reform!!!!
LETS DO IT!!!! Run like animals not wusses!!!
I read through here and saw the conversion thing from the Mile and have done the same thing as well. I don't know where the official conversion thing comes from. Taking the average or slowest pace an extending it for the additional 108 or so meters makes more sense and is more accurate
|YUppie Runn for love|
Conversion chart above= NICE
Official conversion= Weird
Mile Reform= Unnecessary
CROSS COUNTRY REFORM AN IMPERATIVE
Lets run the way running was meant to be no more golf courses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|Dr. Run .|
|Thinker Man for Awesome|
Okay here is the solution for both problems
We will bring the mile back in cross country.
Make the race a mile straight up hill!!!!!!
Then make them run 5 more. We can do miles then because times and distance mean little in cross!!!
LETS SAVE CROSS COUNTRY!!!!!!!
|I'll take half a loaf|
I think the proposal is actually to replace the 1600 in high schools with the mile. It wouldn't affect NCAA or the pro's. I agree with that, because the 1600 is just a b*stardized distance that no one runs except in high school. The mile would at least mean something to peers and parents of high school kids.
In an ideal world, the switch would be to the 1500 so that the distances were the same in HS, college, and professionally, and people would actually know and care how long 1500m is. Failing that, however, getting rid of the 1600 in favor of the mile is a definite improvement.
|Some track history for you...|
Some history to shed some light on the discussion...
In Europe (except the Commonwealth countries) the tracks were 500m, in the UK they were normally 440yd. America was also using 440yd tracks.
When the modern day Olympics started they were using 500m tracks. In fact there was a 500m at Washington University in St. Louis where the 1904 Olympics were.
Over time the 500m tracks shrunk to 400m which just happens to be a shade under 440 yds. Thus the clash of events.
The 1500m, 3000m, 5000m and 10,000m all originated on 500m tracks.
But yes, worst of all are the American states that run the 1600m and 3200m, makes no sense at all. They were created out of convenience once 440 yd tracks were being resurfaced and measured out at 400m.
Personally, I'm a fan of the mile, it's history not just in sport, but in life. A sub 4:00 is still very special to see or run.
|First Good Answer|
You are dellusional.
How has nobody said this yet: People understand or "revere" the mile because everyone was forced to run it in grade school and no other reason.
If every grade school child in America ran 1042 meters for their presidential fitness test twice a year from grades 3-8, 1042 meters would eventually replace the mile as the distance that everyone "reveres." Non-runners will ask runners what their best 1042m time is and they will understand the difference between 2:30, 3:00, and 3:30 because they remember running 3:07 back in 8th grade and know that the under 2:30 is like crazy fast and nobody has ever broken 2:00 in the 1042m.
There is absolutely nothing magical about the mile.
|clearing the bs up|
The mile has a mystique to it that the 1500m lacks. 1500m means nothing to the average person in the united states. The mile means so much more. It is a distance that people can relate to, understand, and are in awe of. Break the four minute barrier is special even today. Sure it won't place you in the top 10 in the world anymore, but it is special. They keep a list, to this very day. of every person that runs a sub 4 minute mile. If you told the average person you ran a mile in 3:59, they would be very impressed. But if you told them that you ran the 1500 in 3:41, they would say something like "okay, well....is that kind of a mile?" The IAAF can be petitioned to accept conversions for the mile to 1500m. USATF already does. The mile will always mean more than the 1500. It is a very special distance.