Bill - yes we do ... know each other. My older brother ran at Pierce a year or so (maybe overlap) after you - Terry (1:50.3). He ran on NR 4x8 (7:29.xx or so) with Bob Hansen, Paul Myers and Biff Newman. Terry and Biff and John Becker all live in South Lake Tahoe. Big Red ... John posts at T&FN from time to time - not sure about here. How's this for out of the blue - I had a brief contact via email with Vince Engel from Humboldt. He owns an advertising agency in SF - pretty uptown I hear. Lil bro Brent ran 1:49.3-4 in HS (by himself, in 100 deg and 90% +/- humidity)- unlimited talent.
I spent some time training with Pete and Bob, the lifeguard, Chambers. I didn't realize he was such a stud in 800 - Olympian in '52 I think. I bounced around trying a number of coaches in So Cal - as there were quite a few to choose from with a variety of approaches - trained some with Tabori. We were fortunate that many around.
As a matter a fact I occasionally recall sitting in the back of (somebodies) VW van as you ran your 8:15.xx in Culver - blasting 'Gimme Shelter' for you. Good memories. Can't remember the Vdubs owner/driver tho. Seems like we ran in a LB 'on the beach'10k about then - Jan/Feb '72 - or sometime I got there 5 minutes before start - but one of my better 'races'
I ended up running with Mark Covert and quite a handful of other very talented runners at CSUF - you two had been to the Oly training camp with all those crazy guys. He had great stories about that. He scours this place (LRUN)pretty regularly but don't think he posts - we correspond several times a year. He'll likely call if he reads this -
Be great to hear from you as well. I'll get in touch with you. I did email you and Gary Tuttle at your running camp address - quite a few years ago.