Good Milers with "poor" speed

whatdayathink wrote:

Name some good milers (well under 4) who don't/didn't possess coe like 400 (46ish speed).

Almost all of them.

Elliott

Keino

Liquori

Bayi

Walker

Straub

Ovett

Cram

Scott

Maree

El Guerrouj

Lagat

Gebrselassie

Komen

Holman

Webb

Marcus O'Sullivan ran 3:50 and was rumored to not be able to run under 50 sec for 400m. He also ran 100+ sub 4:00 min in the mile.

someone had to do it wrote:

Elliott

Keino

Liquori

Bayi

Walker

Straub

Ovett

Cram

Scott

Maree

El Guerrouj

Lagat

Gebrselassie

Komen

Holman

Webb

Webb most definitely has 46 speed, as did Cram, especially Ovett.

youarecrazy...... wrote:

someone had to do it wrote:

Elliott

Keino

Liquori

Bayi

Walker

Straub

Ovett

Cram

Scott

Maree

El Guerrouj

Lagat

Gebrselassie

Komen

Holman

Webb

Webb most definitely has 46 speed, as did Cram, especially Ovett.

Well if they did, they never showed it.

it's very likely many didn't have 46-ish speed, though i'd be willing to bet most had 47-ish speed. among sub-4 guys i competed with, bill burke and i once talked about how we were the only ones who probably couldn't break 50 (though i finally did it in practice, 49.8, my last year of pro running).

i'd bet the farm marcus could break 50 easily in his best shape. it's very possible he just never ran an all-out race effort 400...

socalcush wrote:

it's very likely many didn't have 46-ish speed, though i'd be willing to bet most had 47-ish speed. among sub-4 guys i competed with, bill burke and i once talked about how we were the only ones who probably couldn't break 50 (though i finally did it in practice, 49.8, my last year of pro running).

i'd bet the farm marcus could break 50 easily in his best shape. it's very possible he just never ran an all-out race effort 400...

Socal cush what was your best time? Who are you?

wait i thought he was christian hesch lol

youarecrazy...... wrote:

Webb most definitely has 46 speed, as did Cram, especially Ovett.

Nope. Wrong. Try again.

whatdayathink wrote:

Name some good milers (well under 4) who don't/didn't possess coe like 400 (46ish speed).

I think I would have to put Ryun in there.

I wouldn't worry too much about their poor speed. As long as they have good foot speed, that's what counts (or is it leg speed? I can never keep those straight).

Middle Distance Expert wrote:

I think I would have to put Ryun in there.

Nope. He's up there with Ovett in the 47xx range.

someone had to do it wrote:

Webb most definitely has 46 speed, as did Cram, especially Ovett.

Well if they did, they never showed it.[/quote]

Webb ran 47 in high school. No doubt he could have run 46.xx in his 3:30 days.

Tim Hacker was a 50.0 and 1:49.0 American in the 1980's that had one of the best homestretch kicks in the final straight. Especially in a 3:37-3:41 US Championhip.

He could turn it over and get to top speed and hold it longer than most and was a winner.

3:34 in 1986. ALso NCAA Cross Country champ, US Champ in Cross and 5000 meters.

For a guy with little credentials at shorter distances, he could really close that last 150 when he was close. He turned into a 100 meter man in the last straight.

jenny barringer would fall in that category on the women's side...sub 4 1500/world champ with a great kick, but I can't run under 2:02 in the 8

fghrunner wrote:

jenny barringer would fall in that category on the women's side...sub 4 1500/world champ with a great kick, but I can't run under 2:02 in the 8

So you are Jenny Barringer?

I don't think you guys have any idea how fast most of the milers mentioned so far could run 400 meters.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Webb ran 47 in high school. No doubt he could have run 46.xx in his 3:30 days.

I highly doubt it. You clearly havn't been around many runners.

The only one I can think of who probably could have hit 46-point is Ryun. Of those who could break 50, I'd say there's a very hard ceiling at 48-flat.