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Why didn't he stay in lane 1? He could have come up right behind boraz and the kaki and saved all the ground. he was in lane 1 or on the line between 1 and 2 and there was really nobody in front of him at the turn with 100m to go that would have really blocked him. |
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"those 2 have never run an elite 800 race in their life" If they were 800 runners, obviously. |
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That's not the point and you know it. You usually come off as a reasonable and intelligent poster, don't ruin it with comments like that.[/quote] Yes, I know it. I just didn't realize that anybody believed that I had any sort of a worthwhile posting standard to maintain. |
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He didn't fail in the courage department, he just thought it would work out that he would have an opening later. He doesn't mean 'I knew my only chance was to go then, but I thought it would likely fail so I didn't bother.' He means 'I had a shot then, and in hindsight it was my only shot, but at the time it looked like such a likely-to-fail shot that I didn't take it.' You guys need to learn to listen/read. He says now that in 20/20 hindsight he'd take that shot. It's a lesson he's learned--remember, this is the first championship 800 he's really been in contention for that late in the game. He's learned the lesson that on that stage, sometimes you just have to make a huge risk. It's not that he lacked the courage this morning, just that he didn't yet know enough to know when to exercise it. His mindset is perfect, I don't know what you want him to say. His mentality is precisely why Americans will be winning medals, he's thoughtfully self-aware and self-critical, he recognizes how the race is run, how other people run it, he learned the final important lesson today that CHANCE plays a massive role in these races and so when he gets a chance, even if it looks like a sub-50% chance, he's gotta take it, because chances are chance ain't gonna favor him again in the race. That interview was great, if Alan Webb has Symmonds' mind he would already have a couple of global titles and be threatening the WR, instead of a mentally destroyed shell. Symmonds is going to roll next year. Let's go d3! |
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drivel we are not talking ovett-like tactical acumen on the parts of these 2 - montsho was best gal in the race - she ran a poor tactical race, but instinctively reacting to felix, won, but less than by what she shoud have - james ran nothing wonderful tactically - he has no discernible 200 speed to talk of & just had to hope he wasn't 8 - 10m behind lashawn into the stretch he got lucky lashawn didn't run a harder 300 - having been been the low-altitude 300m wr holder until 1y ago, he shouda been thinking 8 - 10m lead, but as he acknowledged after, he "executed poorly" only an idiot woud believe these 2 ran any tactically remarkable races & only a complete moron woud project this to 800... |
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My take too. Symmonds may have made a tactical error but he was still "there". It just didn't go this time. |
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You're cute. |
| Sprintgeesery |
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I also agree with Sprint Geeser. you had to go there. Why would that have wrecked Symmond's race to go at 200m out? Sometimes Nick has to get more out of his comfort zone. Kaki and Bores got medals because they kicked earlier and had more guts. |
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Or maybe because they are far superior 800 runners than Nick Symmonds. |
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China great honorable nation. Communism superior democracy, as evidenced america more crime. Weak social order lead inevitable America downfall, great honorable China rise up the world. |
| Sprintgeesery |
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This is a good point. you have to know that it is Kaki in front of you. If Kaki is in front of you, stay behind him...don't go to lane 3. nick is a great runner and I like his chances in London next year, but he needs to believe in himself a little more and follow Kaki and the Russian, rather than wait for the two poles to pass him before pulling out with 80 to go. The Polish runner who beat him, started kicking about 130 out and was strong enough to hold him off. Nick said he was in perfect position with 200 to go. If he wants a medal, he can't allow 2 to pass him at the 180 mark. |
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He is thinking AFTER the race, explaining his reactions. Of course he wasn't going through all of this in his head during the race: the video itself was longer than the race! |
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I wasn't making fun of your english, I was making fun of propaganda-esque statements like "You are just weak American." |
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If he was visualizing how to beat Rudisha, then WTH wasn't he running close to him instead of dropping towards the back as usual? |
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Somehow I don't think going out in 23.x with the world record holder would have ended well for Symmonds. |
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Well then he should have been visualizing his own race, not one of beating Rudisha. |
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His only chance at beating Rudisha would be if Rudisha blew up and came back to him, so for all you know he might have been doing both. |
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I agree. But he needs to make a stronger move from 300-400m. That's where he can have an advantage - letting the leaders go too fast for the first 200 and then catching back up to them by 400. He can be right on their asses using less energy through efficient splits. He shouldn't be last at the bell. |
| Sprint Geezer |
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It wasn't his "shot". NOT getting boxed in doesn't mean that he would have medalled--but GETTING boxed in definitely meant that he would NOT medal. Allowing himself to get boxed in WAS his "shot" at not medalling, and he took it. Plus, even if your interpretation of "what he really means" is accurate, any observation like "at the time it looked like such a likely-to-fail shot that I didn't take it" is the very definition of the lack of courage I was talking about. "It's not that he lacked the courage this morning, just that he didn't yet know enough to know when to exercise it." You don't "exercise" courage, you implement strategy by "exercising" tactics. Courage is there all the time, it manifests at all moments. You suppress courage with mental exercise. Courage happens only when your actions are bigger than your self, when you lose your sense of self to the bigger situation. That can be uncomfortable for people, and that is what courage is--the ability to let go. That is why great performances are described by their performers as effortless, that is why Montsho was up and waving while Felix was on the ground sucking wind, that's why Bolt said he could go right back and run 9.69 again, that's why they often don't remember exactly what happened. Symmonds knows exactly what I'm talking about, no doubt he's had this at other points in his career. I think he's run enough high-level meets, though, to have it in a championships final, and have learned already long ago that "CHANCE plays a massive role in these races". Unless he's Rudisha, which he's not. |
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You may be right, but I still wonder how he could have been better placed with 250 to go. He was behind Rudisha and Borza, right on the outside of Kaki. Right on their asses, like you said. His mistake was letting people pass him after that point. |