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Before the DQ was announced David Oliver said contact occurs all the time. Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7nvhdudJWU I was then walking underneath the stadium after it was announced that Robles was DQd. Right next to this walkway with huge glass windows is this room two huge tvs in it. There were I think 3 people in there and they were showing the hurdles race on the tvs in super slow mow. The people were watching the screen and rewinding it pointing at things on the big screen. I even saw one guy contorting his body like he was trying to simulate what he saw. I then thought "This can't be the appeals room" but it was. Then Korean tv discovered what I did and they set up there cameras with lights and started filming it all. (I had filmed part of it with my flip camera). A lady in the room came out and told people to leave. When I walked back by (the press walks right by this window and its glass windows everytime it goes to the mixed zone) of the ladies had her head in her hands and a look of anguish. I can imagine people on a jury being less stressed. Then I turned and there was Andy Turner walking out with soe British officials. Not sure if he didn't know he might be promoted to bronze but he did not stay around for the press conference. At the pres conference (we'll have highlights of this up later) Liu said he saw on tv that Robles was DQd in the doping control. Liu turned to Robles and said something along the lines, "Hey you were disqualified." Robles said really? and Liu said it was on the tv. They talked about it briefly and then decided to talk about something else like it was not a big deal. After witnessing the appeals process I think it should be like the NFL. If you can't make a decision in 2 minutes the play stands. It would be better for tv that way too. |
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He is going to be shark food back home. |
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Robles never grabbed Xiang. HOWEVER, at 6:03 his foot goes AROUND his hurdle into Liu's lane. DQ. Sloppy job by Robles and he knew it the moment he finished. The bad luck for Liu continues. http://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=53279-Mens-110-Hurdles-Final-IAAF-World-Outdoor-Championships-2011
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The first contact was significant enough to set Robles off balance and send him wobbling even further towards Xiang's lane before the next contact. Contact may happen all the time, but Robles had veered way over during the second contact and that's probably what got him the DQ. When I first watched the race, I couldn't understand why Xiang stuttered and fell back when he was leading, but this makes it pretty clear. Richardson seemed thrilled with his silver and now he gets the gold. Sweet deal for him. |
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Silver to gold. Bronze to silver. Makes sense but no sense. Liu is champ for all to see. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRM5iIJHeQw&feature=feedu Look at the video from 3:16 in. Robles right hand is the same throughout the race. In my opinion, the incidental contact over hurdle 9 caused him to drift over a bit to his right and this caused even more contact over 10. There is no doubt in my mind that it was only incidental and not intentional, as unfortunate as it might be for Liu, Robles should not have been DQ'd |
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Had my only bet of the champs on Robles as well Not sure about the DQ but I'm biased. He was drifting and let his hand hang out in an unnatural way. Not sure if that or hitting the hurdle dragged him back though. Total bummer having thought I got the win! Still Turner got a bronze out of it |
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Nice analyses, group. Thanks to all. Contact really does happen in the hurdles all the time, but I guess I can see a DQ based on lane encroachment. Thing is, it appears that the first contact is what pulled Robles over to the right--which disrupted his best race, too. I suppose there was another head wind? In any case, when was the last time a major championship was won with that slow a time? |
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Also thought Liu did a hell of a job to stay on his feet. What an athlete. |
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Does it matter if it was intentional or not? I would think that, regardless of intent, if you drift into another dude's lane and interfere with him, that could be grounds for a DQ. Of course, if similar contact really does happens all the time in hurdles it would be a a different story. |
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If you watch the video (http://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=53279-Mens-110-Hurdles-Final-IAAF-World-Outdoor-Championships-2011) check 6:04- you can clearly see Robles knee behind Xiang's hurdle. Whether it was intentional or not, his leg left his lane and went over the hurdle in the next lane. As far as I know, that would be a DQ based on lane encroachment. Also- the first contact he has an open hand and his fingers kind of wrap around Xiang's arm. The second contact, his hand is closed in a fist. I'm not saying it was intentional, but that there is no proof either way and either view could be effectively argued. However, based on the lane encroachment, I think it was a legit DQ, sad as it is. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRM5iIJHeQw&feature=player_embedded#! Check out H8, at the 3:21 mark. Robles clips the hurdle, pushing him into the center of his lane--which explains why he wasn't staying just a few inches away from his left laneline, as he usually does, on the last two hurdles. He's in the center of his lane as he attacks H9, and thus has contact with Liu. That contact pulls Robles *further* to his right--you can see his awkward recovery step--and there's a small, but pretty clear, lane encroachment as he attacks H10. Had there been no contact with Liu (or Liu's hurdle), that call would probably never be made; but there was contact, and it was a close--but almost certainly correct--call. DQ. [And why did he clip H8? Usually that clip comes from taking off too close to the hurdle. You're leading--someone is catching you--you want to go faster to hold him off--speed is a function of stride length x stride rate--while trying to go faster, you mistakenly increase length instead of just rate--your increased stride length puts you a few inches closer to the hurdle--bang. [It's easy to tell a hurdler to "just run down your lane--ignore the other guys," but it's awfully hard to always put that into practice. Robles is a competitor; he responded to Liu's challenge; but he made the wrong kind of response.] Great athletes, great officials. Tough race for both. |
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http://news.yahoo.com/photos/cubas-dayron-robles-center-makes-contact-chinas-liu-photo-140718352.html Looks to be a pretty clear lane encroachment here. |
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It would be interesting to see where the initial contact on the previous hurdle took place. If it took place inside of Dayron's lane, then I could see him making an argument that the intial contact on the previous hurdle was caused by Liu, and that caused him to come into Liu's lane on the next hurdle. In any case, hurdlers need to be taught to keep their arms closer to their bodies. It seems like every one of those guys is encroaching into the lane next to them. |
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Also interesting to note is that the announcers on universal sports were asking for another look at the head-on replay. The director didn't give it to them, so they were unable to say anything about the possibility of a DQ. I think they would have been able to comment on it if they had been given that head-on view again. |
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The photo finish for this race is still not posted on the IAAF website. Anyone know why? |
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Is it worth posting. The guy in first is dq'd and the eventual winner is in third. Just wondering. |
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Without interference, and without the foot falling below the level of the hurdle, it does not have to pass over your own hurdle. No DQ there. Impedence--DQ. |
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looked intentional me (grabbed Liu twice), not only that!... if you look at the hurdle before the contact...Robles looked like he was going after Liu intentionally!.....(3rd hurdle from the finish)!...and finally on the last two hurdles he did succeed........look how much after missing the first time he came over into Liu's lane to grab him....Roble robbed Liu of the GOLD!...A futher investiagtion should continue to consider some additional punishment! |
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It "fell below the level of the hurdle" in order to go AROUND it.
Without interference, and without the foot falling below the level of the hurdle, it does not have to pass over your own hurdle. No DQ there. Impedence--DQ.[/quote] |