They hate it with a f***ing passion and never pass up a chance to bad mouth it.
Instead of running, to them it's "cardio", and they call it trash, worthless, the devil, boring, pointless. THEY HATE CARDIO!!!
I wonder if these experts realize that some people just find running enjoyable and aren't desperately trying to lose weight or get jacked.
Just venting here. I know running isn't the best thing to do for a sexy body composition, but damn, RUNNING IS FUN! Piss off you certified wankers.
they hate "cardio" because it's HARD. they're not runners so running for anything over 20 minutes isn't easy or enjoyable.
1. It is hard to sell running. 2. The people they are selling fitness to chose to pay the trainer instead of run, and therefore don't want to be sold running. 3. Fitness industry is 99.9% about looks. Tried to make a bit of extra cash as a trainer a while back and as a very fit distance runner with more muscle mass than average (no solinsky, but not a twig) I was turned down on sight by most of the really nice gyms. They straight up would say "Sorry, you're too small." Running isn't nearly as image oriented.
Running is great when it's done for SPORT and/or RECREATION. As far as exercise goes, running absolutely sucks. Hardcore running is an abusive, irrational waste of time masquerading as a healthy lifestyle.
BrillianceBomber wrote:
1. It is hard to sell running. 2. The people they are selling fitness to chose to pay the trainer instead of run, and therefore don't want to be sold running. 3. Fitness industry is 99.9% about looks. Tried to make a bit of extra cash as a trainer a while back and as a very fit distance runner with more muscle mass than average (no solinsky, but not a twig) I was turned down on sight by most of the really nice gyms. They straight up would say "Sorry, you're too small." Running isn't nearly as image oriented.
Exactly, I could not have said it any better.
There is only so many ways you can sell a slight variation of P90X so many of these salesmen take to trashing running. It's sad.
joho wrote:
Exactly, I could not have said it any better.
There is only so many ways you can sell a slight variation of P90X so many of these salesmen take to trashing running. It's sad.
You're sidestepping the argument, which is that running is poor form of exercise. If the claim is valid, then trainers are justified in selling a product other than running.
Once you get fast enough, running is a better form of exercise than lifting, but most people don't cover enough distance in an hour of running to make it more worthwhile from a caloric standpoint than lifting.
if its so bad why did Lydiard use it to improve the health of unhealthy adults?
Coffee Drinker wrote:
joho wrote:Exactly, I could not have said it any better.
There is only so many ways you can sell a slight variation of P90X so many of these salesmen take to trashing running. It's sad.
You're sidestepping the argument, which is that running is poor form of exercise. If the claim is valid, then trainers are justified in selling a product other than running.
You have failed to make any kind of argument. What you have is an assertion
themanontherun wrote:
Once you get fast enough, running is a better form of exercise than lifting, but most people don't cover enough distance in an hour of running to make it more worthwhile from a caloric standpoint than lifting.
This post represents everything that's wrong with the running mentality. It reflects neurotic obsession with calorie burning and a total ignorance of the real benefits of proper exercise.
Calorie burning is the lowest possible goal in exercise. Believe it or not, some of us aren't gluttons and don't need to purge huge numbers of calories through activity to avoid weight gain. With proper nutrition, one will never gain significant amounts of weight even if he doesn't engage in any form of "cardio."
Furthermore, if one does run enough to burn a lot of calories, he forfeits most of the benefits that are possible with high-quality exercise. Running undermines higher fitness goals.
coach wrote:
if its so bad why did Lydiard use it to improve the health of unhealthy adults?
Because Lydiard knew nothing about health or fitness outside the context of competitive running.
By this I assume you mean useless growth of muscles, mostly upper body, for vanity purposes.
Coffee Drinker wrote:
Furthermore, if one does run enough to burn a lot of calories, he forfeits most of the benefits that are possible with high-quality exercise. Running undermines higher fitness goals.
Aghast wrote:
By this I assume you mean useless growth of muscles, mostly upper body, for vanity purposes.
Useless? Vanity?
Having a good-looking upper body is not a bad thing to want. Good-looking people get more opportunities (financial, romantic, social) than fat or skinny people. Strong muscles (lower and upper body) are much more beneficial and useful than being able to run 10 miles.
Aghast ... spot on!!!! Most people don't run or do endurance sports because they're f'in lazy!!
I have people ask me about how to get started running, and basically I say that when they start, it's going to be hard, and it will hurt, and you won't like it. But you have to get to the point where a 3 or 4 mile run doesn't leave you gasping or struggling before you can actually decide whether or not you like running.
Anyone that comes into running out of shape is not going to like it initially.
Coffee Drinker wrote:
joho wrote:Exactly, I could not have said it any better.
There is only so many ways you can sell a slight variation of P90X so many of these salesmen take to trashing running. It's sad.
You're sidestepping the argument, which is that running is poor form of exercise. If the claim is valid, then trainers are justified in selling a product other than running.
No, trainers know if they teach people to run, they'll run on their own and stop paying for unnecessary gym fees. Sit-ups, push-ups, and running is all you need.
The essence of the exercise benefit is muscular strengthening and metabolic conditioning. Training the lower body is especially important for health, appearance, function and maintaining one's mobility throughout life. The superior aesthetic benefits of strength training reflect its superior health and fitness benefits. The muscles are the "window" to the body, including the cardiovascular system, and the best way to improve the health of one's body is to perform high-intensity muscular work.
dont drink the kool-aid wrote:
No, trainers know if they teach people to run, they'll run on their own and stop paying for unnecessary gym fees. Sit-ups, push-ups, and running is all you need.
Fitness enthusiasts know that if they become hardcore joggers, they'll end up looking like Galen Rupp. So they pay trainers to give them a better result.
OK, I'm out.
You guys can do whatever you want, but those of us who know better will be hitting the weight room tomorrow.
If you are truly trying for overall fitness, your running should be the training for 800m, which is the ideal balance of speed, endurance and mental strength. Throw in some upper-body stuff (weights, climbing, swimming, whatever) and you are a balanced, healthy athlete on a fraction of the effort/training time required to plod a 3.5 hour marathon.