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| Racerdb |
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Got to catch up, missed last week. I actually had my post written up last week but my computer shutdown before I posted the message and didn't re-write it... Lets see...Started some tempo work the week before last. Did a nice 7 mile progression run starting at 6:50 and finishing up 5:37. My 10K road/trail race went well on Saturday. Won the Masters for the 3rd straight year. Went 35:54 which is only 2 seconds slower than last year when I thought I was in much better shape. The course has a tough middle 4 miles and is generally thought to be about 1:30'ish slower than a flat road course....Did another 3 mile tempo last Thurs in the middle of a 64:40 10 miler. Very happy to go 5:48/5:44/5:31 for 17:02. I was thinking before the run 5:50 pace would be a good day. All the other days were just steady relaxed running. Should hit 70 again this week but I had no long run. Have a good week everyone... Dave |
| lucKY2b |
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Thanks Alan B and racerdb for getting things going this week, sounds like you guys have both had pretty decent weeks. I'll go ahead and throw in my usual demarcation, but the week's reports have already begun with the last few. So don't miss those. ************************* Week 61 ************************* Hello, my fellow 50+ runnners! Just finished watching the OG Women's Marathon, which was a pretty tight race all the way to the finish, Shalane just couldn't hang in the end, looks like Kara finished strong, but lost contact in the middle. But what about the men's 10,000-m! Wow, that was amazing to watch! It's hard to express how much this means to us American distance runners, who have lived through the running boom of the '70's, who saw Prefontaine falter down the finish stretch, who saw the dirth of talent take to running in the '90's, and now to have an American finish in the medals; first time since Billy Mills won the gold in '64. Just a wonderful thing to witness. But to the American press, not hardly a blip on the radar screen.....very disappointed in our local newspaper this morning; buried in the daily Olympic recap on page 6 of the sports section, after discussions of many other venues, and then a 6 paragraph recap of the women's 100m, and a few more paragraphs talking about the upcoming men's 100m, then a couple paragraphs about Ennis' win, then finally this: "Then it was Mo Farah -- born in Somalia, training in Portland Ore., competing for Britain -- who brought down the house, sprinting to the finish in the 10,000 meters for a win over his American training partner, Galen Rupp, in 27 minutes, 30.42 seconds." That was it. No follower outside of the hard-core devotees to the sport could recognize the significance of what had happened. I just feel that corporate sports wonks have no clue that there is a resurgence in American distance running going on, they only care about the big money sports. If it weren't for the fact the Tyson Gay is actually from Lexington, I'm not sure American Track and Field would get any mention in our local paper outside of the Olympics. I'll send my usual rant to the paper about their ignorance and neglect; not sure it'll do any good, though. OK, on to my running week. Managed about 42 miles on 6 days. The log reads as such: Sun: 8 easy Mon: 4.2 w/6 laps on the 1/2-mile trail loop, alternating hard/easy laps. The hard laps were 3:07, 3:00, 3:00. Tue: 5.2 easy Wed: 4.5 w/5x1-lap, with 1-lap recov. (this was on the funky 4 laps = 1500m...with a small hill...track), the 1-lap times were 78,76,75,74,73 seconds. Add about 5s for 400m compaison. It was 90+ and very humid--heat index was around 100! Thu: 0 (was administering finals all day) Fri: 4 moderate (6:50) pace. Sat: 16 miles, with first 8 @6:47 pace, last 8 much slower. First long run in a long time. Notes: Aside from Saturday, all the runs were in the afternoon heat. I sought refuge on the 1/2-mile trail on Monday and tried to do some uptempo stuff. Wednesday evening's track workout was almost scuttled by the heat and humidity....just couldn't get it going; we did as many 375m loops with good recovery as we could handle before bagging it. Thursday, I was just too tired by the end of the day to run. Friday, was short because I knew Saturday would be long. Our club president emailed Friday morning asking if any "fast" runners would be able to come to their Saturday morning run. I usually don't go, because there is never anyone that I can run with (they're great people and I love their company, but they're all 4+ hour marathoners). But he had gotten an email from Kevin Castille asking if they minded if he joined them; he was going to run 21@6:45 pace followed by 5@5:10 pace, anyone who cared to join was welcome (I think this would have been a much better assignment for racerdb). Well, haha, nobody was going to run that. I volunteered that I could probably "hang" for 8-10 at the 6:45 pace on this extremely hilly course, but he would be on his own after that. In the end, Kevin chose not to come because he didn't really know the route and he had concerns about possible traffic. But I was already pumped to run a hard tempo, so I kept my promise to myself and ran a comfortably hard 8 miles (part of it was during an extremely heavy downpour), afterwhich, all drenched, I waited for a good while until my buddies made it to the turnaround (note: most of them started from about the 5-mile mark). I then ran a few miles with them, before finishing off the last 5 by myself, but still much slower than my outgoing pace. For perspective, I was 54:15 minutes going out, and 1:04:57 coming back, with 6 of those extra 11 minutes coming on the 3-mile section with my buddies. Funny note: all the runners were talking about how hot and humid it was, and I was thinking how nice and cool it felt (funny how running in the afternoon all summer changes your perspective.) I'll have to email Kevin and offer to run with him anytime he wants a partner on an easy (for him) run, of course I'll be looking to tempo, haha. Looking forward to the rest of the week's Olympic track and field events. Should be exciting. Hope you all are doing well and, as usual, I look forward to hearing about it. Cheerio! |
| lucKY2b |
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Of course, Pre's falter was in the 5000m, but I tend to lump the 5000m and 10000m into the same category.... |
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Mon = 3 @ 7:55 pace, Ave HR 149 Tue = 3 @ 7:25 pace, Ave HR 148 Wed = 1 easy Thr = 2 @ 7:29 pace, Ave HR 143 Fri = 3 @ 9:23 pace, Ave HR 138 Sat = 3 @ 6:58 pace, Ave HR 158 Sun = 3.5 pushing a toddler in a fairly clunky stroller Total = 18.5 This is week two into my quest to actually run every day. I've been doing the 5 days per week thing for almost a year out of necessity, certainly not by choice. I think (hope) I've actually, finally gotten into good enough shape to tolerate running daily. I feel like a runner again. I've pulled myself off the track as I'm done racing until the fall. I was going to do a popular one miler Fri but since I hurt myself in this thing last year I decided to do something unusual and....be smart. I studied my logs this year and found I really did not move my 5K time down much despite all those 400's. I started off the year at 19:36 off mostly steady-state runs with hard tempos, and finished in 19:24. Those 400's are a high-risk investment and frankly, I don't think the return was all that great given the risk. I need to move my fundamental aerobic fitness downward and 400's aint gonna do that. What I'm trying to do is use my HR monitor to get somewhere in the 150 range most every day to gently press the pace consistently. Once a week I'll make it a true tempo and push some more like Saturday. I'll be adding in some 1 minute accelerations on another day once I establish that I can actually tolerate running every day. I'm starting with, what many may think, is a ridiculously low number of miles, but, this is new territory for me and I want to be super-cautious. I apologize, lucKYy and others for not engaging more in the discussion on ancillary work. I just do not think this format works well for any type of ongoing dialogue (Socratic or otherwise..) that requires continuous visits to the site. I just do not have time to keep checking back here that frequently. And finally, whoooweee! What a 10,000 that was! As Alan noted, Farah did not run intelligently but still won. And Rupp, just awesome. |
| Alan Bennet |
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What are your max and resting HRs? I want to gauge what you are running.... |
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Max is 181 and resting is, I think, about 59. My resting varies. |
| mo'pak |
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mon- 2hr mtn bike ride. tue- 2hr rugged trail run. wed- 45m kyak and 40 min very easy ride. thu- 2h10m rugged trail run. fri- zero. sat- am40min fast mtn bike ride, 30min fast kyak. pm. 4km warmup, 6.5+km hilly trail race 27.15. 2km jog. sun- 4km warmup, 6.5k hilly trail race 26.40.,2km jog. The races were a good test to see where I'm really at. Last year I raced the same course as saturday in 26.58, it was probably my best race of the year. Felt I ran well this time but ended up 17secs slower. The sunday race was on a course we raced earlier in the season. I ran 26.27 that day and felt I'd ran exceptionally well. 13 secs slower this time. Not too far off the mark. The steep downhills on saturday may have taken a bit of edge of my downhill speed on sunday. Tuesday and thursday runs were on my rugged "Rocky Horror" trails in the Nat. Park. On tuesday I ran the last 2.5kms along a smoother section in 11.00. No chance to get out on friday as I took my mum to my aunt's funeral, a 400km roundtrip. Loved the run from Rupp, and thrilled for Mo. Mo used to train with the Aussie gang under Nic Bideau so he is pretty popular with the Aussie runners. Our girl Lisa Weightman ran a personal best in the marathon (2.27), great effort on a difficult twisty course. Jess Trengove ran a solid one too, only her 2d marathon so hopefully she will continue to develop. |
| KP |
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Thanks for the support for Lisle old friends. Man oh man was I happy to be on the medal stand in that 800. 4 years of foot surgeries and plantar this and plantar that made it sweet just to be there. BTW. Am more than happy to try and help any of y'all try and rid these lower limb flare-ups with what finally worked for me. Be ready to learn new daily (morning) habits to keep it away for good. At age 52 that 2:08 2-lapper in Championship Racing Style was 100% satisfaction. But let me tell you this... I was with my new friend Ray Knerr at my trigger-to-strike mark with 150m to go and he blew me away. Great talented guy Ray is. Watch out M50s. And Sunday morning's 1500 was a super example of Champ Racing with 12 of us in Heat 2 running every lap faster and faster. Neg Splits the whole way. My 4th place was a SB and a 90% handicapper so I'm happy. 800 was 92%. And now I know I'm 52 as my calves are wicked tight (were screaming on the flight home). I'm sure it was that intense HEAT and HUMIDITY. Brutal for us West Coasters. Time to chill for a week, stretch, and keep it all going with forthcoming base & strength building XC. KP |
| AK-54 |
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Great racing db, KP, and mo'pak! 90 and 92% and a podium finish, that's awesome. racerdb, sub 36 on a slow trail race?! Ran only 4 days (+2 days rollerskiing), and it was a cutback because I wanted to do well in our local half marathon on Saturday. The course is 4 miles of pavement, about 7 miles off-road harpack, and about 2 miles of gravel rock (not the greatest footing on that stretch, with 3-4 small risers). 1:19:36, 25 sec faster than last year; 87%, which is close to my best age grade. I like the half. Nursing a sore foot (heel ligament, feels much like PF but it's not PF), which really hurt after the race so I'll have to take 3-5 days off and just cross train. |
| alf tupper |
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i think its agreat run by Rupp to take on the africans come away with silver maybe this prove you can take on the africans it might kick start distance running in usa like the 70s and 80s i do hope so bring on the 5km!!!! |
| lucKY2b |
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Agreed! Excellent job guys! Sorry Dave, for not giving you proper kudos earlier, I was a little pre-occupied making sure that I got my weekly demarcation in. That is a remarkable trail time! KP, that 2:08 is excellent; Yes, Ray K. is definitely cranking it out! There looks to have been a lot of good competition there. It might be useful to others to hear how you beat your PF. There have been many on this thread that have battled that particular affliction. A friend of mine and relatively well-known senior-grandmaster, Don Coffman, has been battling it off and on now for the past several years. AK, very nice job yourself! Hope you heal up quickly. Cheers! |
| Alan Bennet |
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+1 Also for those who have not yet battled this, but will someday! Let's hear what works. In my case I have it 95% licked, but that last 5% is hanging on forever. BTW, I could post "nice race" after every report, but I'm thinking you would like to hear it from someone faster. ;) |
| racerdb |
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When you hear someone say 'it's a slow course', most people are skeptical. I know I am! But I went back and checked the results form the past few years. There are a bunch of sub 30 minute 10K guys, a few 2:25'ish marathoners, and at least two sub 4:00 minute milers (Kurt Berringer and this years 2nd place guy, Jeremy Rae) The fastest winning time was still over 32 minutes. And that was only by a couple guys. Heck, a few years ago Olympian Molly Huddle was over 38 minutes! http://resultsarchive.active.com/pages/page.jsp?eventLinkageID=7272&year=2012 Dave |
| lucKY2b |
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Nice to see you up there amongst all the young studs. When I went to the results site, it brought back some memories, because I spent a lot of my summers back then in SW Michigan, outside Three Rivers. So I found this old flyer from my stash of my young runner days. For your amusement, let me type a little of what it says: ----------------------------------------------- The Roadrunner Track Club presents ....... The NIKE/FAIR STORE 10,000 Meter ROAD and TRAIL RACE* Saturday, July 22, 1978 Dowagiac, MI The race features things that runners want the most -interesting challenging course -instant times -plenty of toilets -tons of awards -12 divisions -fast awards Custom T-shirts for all finishers Entry fee is free for all RTC members $3 for Non-members if entry is postmarked by July 18, $4 on Race Day. *formerly the Dowagiac Festival Day Race. ----------------------------------------------- Wonder if it was the same course? Here's what I wrote in my log about the race back then: "Race #2 for the summer, a 10km race with 467 runners. I came in 23rd at a time of 35:57, not bad for a hot and icky, humid day. The course was nice; it went through forest, up hills, over lots of logs, lots of shade, but also, unfortunately, lots of sun. I'm pleased" My running had been pretty erratic that summer, so I don't know how to interpret my time. Was running between 30 and 40 mpw, but was also staying up too late, too often, and drinking too much beer. I laughed about 2 things: i) $3 advance entry fee, ii) T-shirts for all finishers. Remember when you had to finish the race to get a shirt? |
| Racerdb |
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It is basically the same race but the course has evolved over the years. It still starts and finishes downtown and we still hit the trails in middle miles of the race. And you still need to finish to get the T-Shirt. I also ran the race in 1978; Placed 96th with my slowest 10K ever 39:57! Maybe I was just messing around or something. I ran a 15:03 3 mile the week before! Dave |
| lucKY2b |
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Small world to have been in that same small-town race all those many years ago! Clearly you were running in support of someone else or something like that. Ron Gunn, at Southwestern Michigan College, did a great job of cultivating a running community back in those days. They had a great JuCo XC program, and John Roscoe was something of a local celebrity, as I recall. |
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Small world to have been in that same small-town race all those many years ago! Clearly you were running in support of someone else or something like that. Ron Gunn, at Southwestern Michigan College, did a great job of cultivating a running community back in those days. They had a great JuCo XC program, and John Roscoe was something of a local celebrity, as I recall.[/quote] Yes it is a small world. That makes us 1-1 against each other in head-to-head races! Lexington XC Nats will be the tie breaker :>) I ran for Coach Gunn at SMC and have been friends with John Roscoe for many years since he moved to town in the early 80's. He doesn't run anymore but I have trained with his son on occasion, a College senior. I gave him a ride up to this years race...he ran the 5K. Dave |
| lucKY2b |
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Oh, hell! I better get training in earnest. =8^0 In all seriousness, we both know that you could have easily whipped me then, too; I think I was probably about 16:00-16:20 3-mile shape at the time. And I don't think there is any amount of training I could do to get me to your level these days....I do, however, hope to be a few minutes faster than I was at the last XC Championships held in Lexington. It'll be fun. OK, so you were on one of those NJCAA National Championship Teams, then? That's neat that you're such good friends with one of your college running alums, and are able to be part of cultivating a new generation of runners, too. I see his son was second overall. Nice. |
| racerdb |
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Yep, 1978. But I was 12th man and wasn't good enough to make the 10 man travel tournament team. I ran mostly JV races with a best time of 25:55. Roscoe is a few years older than me. Everyone knew who he was so it was really cool when he moved to town and even cooler when we got to run with him! Impressed you would know this... Dave |
| lucKY2b |
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Well, I did spend 2+ months every summer from age 5 to 22 in SW Michigan. And I ran a bunch of those RTC races, especially in '78 and '79. Plus, I couldn't remember exactly what years you all won those championships, so I had to look that up. Returning to my Olympic rant; our newspaper didn't publish Manzano's 1500m Silver medal (OK, there was an online article, but there was no mention in hard-copy). Given it's the first US medal in that event since Jim Ryun did it in '68, I thought it might be sufficiently newsworthy, especially since the 1500m is a premiere event (not that I characterize them that way). Very disappointing. |
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