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mo'pak
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/3/2012 9:48AM - in reply to AK-54 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
A bit of a hectic week but managed 21k on tuesday and 18k on wednesday. Both runs were very slow, about 5.15-20 per km as the legs felt a bit beaten up from the previous weekend's tough xc course. Also got in an almost walking pace 8k (50m) on monday,also a kyak session and some weight work.
Saturday am. I went out for a hilly hour of mtn biking on the hills in the Nat Park at the back of my house. I call this ride "The Rocky Horror Show". Great fun but extremely challenging to keep the bike moving. In the pm. I went out to Kangaroo Flat for what I thought was an interclub invitation 8k. Turns out it was actually a Bendigo regional champs. race.
Felt stiff as a board in the warmup, left knee achey, right hammy tight, heavy quads, aching shoulders and arms and so on.The usual complaints after hauling a bike up steep rubble.
Got totally burnt off in the first 1/2 but found some rhythm late and went fom a distant 5th O/50 to 3d O/50 between the 5th and 6th km. The last km was about pulling back a 50m deficit on the leading master's lady. Caught her with a gut churning downhill sprint and then hung on over the last couple of 100m. Clocked 32.45 on a course that is not overly challenging. Not really the time I would've wanted to post in a feature race, clearly should have paid more attentio to my e-mails.
Sunday back out to K.Flat and the same venue/different course for a club handicap also over 8km.
The last handicap I ran 4th so was hopeful of getting pretty close again.
The warmup went far better than the previous day's effort.
The race also panned out much better.
Ran 31.56 on what is a rougher course, crossed the line in 2d place and ran the 7th fastest time.
mo'pak
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/3/2012 10:02AM - in reply to Rtype Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Rtype wrote:

Mon = 4 easy
Tue = 5 @ Track, 10 400's 1:23.2 Ave
Wed = 4 easy
Thr = rest
Fri = rest
Sat = 5 @ Track, 10 400's at 1:21.4 Ave
Sun = 3 easy
Total = 21
I'm passing the time writing this from work. I have had no power and no cell service for 39 hours and now due to a wicked Derecho type storm. This is beyond an annoyance. I have my son with type 1 diabetes to take care of and keeping insulin cool is no easy task.
But we are managing thanks to my gf , and my workplace. I do love my job so being here is not so bad. And yeah, I actually am doing work on a Sunday since I am here.
Running wise-seems so superficial now, I had a good week.
I was able to inject two very good speed sessions into the week in preparation for the 4th of July race. It's going to be hot, but my speed is coming around. My last 400 was a 77, and that was done while very sleep-deprived and a little dehydrated.
Power to the people!!


I had to google Derecho as I had never heard of it before. Looks like a monstrous type of storm.
I do hope things are now ok for you and yours Rtype.
Rtype
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/3/2012 11:26AM - in reply to mo'pak Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

mo'pak wrote:

I had to google Derecho as I had never heard of it before. Looks like a monstrous type of storm.
I do hope things are now ok for you and yours Rtype.


Thanks mo'pak. Got power back last pm, after 72 hours without. Still 1.4 million people without power in the Mid Atlantic region of the US.

A Derecho sounds like something you'd have down-under!
asdfhjdf
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/3/2012 11:37AM - in reply to lucKY2b Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
As a frequent lurker, I'd like to pop up and express my appreciation for this thread. I wish there was something like it, in sharing support and experience, for the younger folks (I'm early 30s)...but the true value to me is the detail in which you all share your personal experience. I coach masters athletes, and it can be a real challenge to coach something you've never yourself done. The fundamentals of the sport, yes I know this, but how about adapting as we age? I haven't really got there yet! So thank you all for sharing freely, because this thread has been my #1 resource for answering questions I have about successfully adapting training, and for making me aware of issues that I likely would never have even considered in the first place. I've tweaked many aspects of my program with positive results because of what I've learned here. So thank you (and my athletes say thanks as well)!


lucKY2b wrote:

For those that have been on this thread since before we switched formats (continuous rather than weekly) it seems that once or twice a year we go through a dry spell, in which the number of postings and number of posters drops. I had hoped that with the new format, that it'd actually pick up steam, and the thread would be rather self-sustaining so that my weekly bump was almost unnecessary to keep the thread moving along. So I ask what you all feel we can do to get more 50+ers to join in and continue in the conversation?
lucKY2b
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/3/2012 2:20PM - in reply to asdfhjdf Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

asdfhjdf wrote:As a frequent lurker, I'd like to pop up and express my appreciation for this thread. I wish there was something like it, in sharing support and experience, for the younger folks (I'm early 30s)...but the true value to me is the detail in which you all share your personal experience. I coach masters athletes, and it can be a real challenge to coach something you've never yourself done. The fundamentals of the sport, yes I know this, but how about adapting as we age? I haven't really got there yet! So thank you all for sharing freely, because this thread has been my #1 resource for answering questions I have about successfully adapting training, and for making me aware of issues that I likely would never have even considered in the first place. I've tweaked many aspects of my program with positive results because of what I've learned here. So thank you (and my athletes say thanks as well)!


Hey! That is so cool. Maybe some of those masters want to join in the conversation, too. :-)

Alan B, thanks for your input. I think I will go ahead and race the 10k. It will be hot (75@start, creeping to 80 by the finish) and humid, I certainly won't be in race shape, and the knee is a bit questionable, so no PR's tomorrow. That's about all I can guarantee. Gauging my fitness, I think I'll be hard pressed to break 38; 39 may be more like it with the heat. But sometimes you just gotta toe the line. Should be fun nonetheless, just to be a part of it. Excited that Kevin Castille will run it...good chance he can win.

AK-54, nice run. I'm sure you've got a sub-5 lurking in there somewhere. I would think that the speed is the last thing to come after transitioning from the ski's.

Rtype, glad you've got your power back. Still crazy....

Cheers.
rlb
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/3/2012 3:46PM - in reply to lucKY2b Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Hope things are getting better for our friends dealing with that disaster. Had never heard the term Derecho and my parents were born and raised in NW Indiana.

Tried to race a 3k last week, but the lower calves started cramping/straining, so dropped out just before the mile as it was getting worse with each lap. Have been dealing off and on with this and guess that spikes didn't help. Still have managed to stay in the low 30s each week mileage wise.

Was fine 2 days later on a 10 mile run, so will try a 3 mile hilly XC race this Thurs. The times I run on the course are usually a few seconds slower than a good road 5k, so it is a good marker on fitness.

Hope everyone has a great 4th!
GreteHund
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/6/2012 10:38AM - in reply to asdfhjdf Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I am also a regular "lurker" and soon-to-be 50 year old. I would, for one, be SO disappointed if this thread stopped. I have enjoyed reading the training logs and race results, and all the encouragement shared by the posters. I look forward to turning 50 this February and one of the highlights of that day will be "officially" posting my first training log and requests for help to run a PR in the marathon that Fall.

I have so many 50+ running friends that are very dedicated to their running and training and sites like this provide them (and me) with the encouragement and information needed when problems occur. I will encourage all of them to continue reading - - and to begin posting!
Alan Bennet
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/7/2012 8:05PM - in reply to GreteHund Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Hi, Grete! Don't worry, this thread isn't going anywhere. Anticipating your first official post in February.... As for running a marathon PR, I think it's the simplest thing in the world: run a ton of mileage with plenty of marathon pace runs, and DON'T GET INJURED. ;-)

lucKY2b was really hoping that people wouldn't wait for his weekly update. For my part, I'm not waiting for that, I am waiting for the end of my training week which runs Monday-Sunday. I used to keep a normal calendar week, but this weekend provides the perfect example of why I switched. I ran a 400m race today so decided to postpone my usual Saturday long run to Sunday. If I logged a Sunday-Saturday week then 07.01-07.07 would have no long runs and 07.08-07.14 would have two. That would make the weekly mileage in my log look more erratic than what I actually ran.

Maybe I should switch to Thursday-Wednesday and post in the middle of the week?
mo'pak
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 5:21AM - in reply to Alan Bennet Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Mon- 30min kyak, 60min tough mtn bike.

Tue- Late home from work (after m/night)and had a very poor sleep so skipped morning run. Too tired after 11pm finish at work so no run for day.

Wed- Ran 63mins/12k on Mt Ida. Ran 2k rough downhill to where the forest meets a winery then the 6k up to the sunmmit then 4k back down.

Thu- Ran 12.7k in 58m. Quite undulating, too fast I suspect. Had spent 3hrs on the chainsaw previously.

Fri- 60min fast mtn biking from the lake then a 30min session in the kyak, subzero (celsius) temps brrr.

Sat- Ekiden Relay leg. Drew the tough 8.4km rough terrain leg.
Did a 3k warmup. First couple of kms along a muddy track beside a water race. Then a very steep climb and a steep rocky set of switchbacks, a few more smaller climbs and rocky descents. Finished with a couple of kms of undulating bitumen road.
Felt I ran quite poorly, 35mins or so time wise, reckon on a good day could do this in mid to high 33s. Body felt weary from the start.
Our team finished 2d (in one of the lower sections of the comp). Little chance for a warmdown, had to ferry runners back and forth.
My son had his 21st birthday party up in our shed, late night, poor quality food/fluid intake.

Sun- 10k road race. Fast flat course, I hate it, all bitumen.
Good 3k warmup. Started the race and knew I was in trouble early on. 1st km in 4.10, 2d km in 4.10 and really labouring, tight calves, tight shoulders, sore left knee, tight right hammy.

Switched the watch off and focused on smoother form, relaxing and staying positive. Dug deep at 1/2 way and felt I might have lifted my pace slightly. Really pushed hard over the last km but had nothing in the tank.I did make sure the 2 guys just ahead of me had to push right through to the line though, you don't get to cruise to the finish if I'm behind you!
The body was stuffed but I was happy that mentally I kept the effort going. 41.40, about 2mins slower than I hoped. My mate and arch O/50 rival Terry clocked first O/50 in 39.09.
Terry was just 3secs quicker than me last week over 8k but I would expect him to be a good bit quicker on a flat road course. Certainly not 2.30 quicker though!
My resting pulse has been elevated the last few mornings so I am probably feeling the effects of my heavy race schedule and a bit of a chaotic personal/work schedule.

Only have a friendly 6.5km club handicap on sat next weekend, nothing on sunday.
Hopefully life will be a bit less hectic this week with no party to organise.
Things might get mad again the following week as we have just bought another house and will be moving my son into it July 16th.
lucKY2b
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 8:37AM - in reply to lucKY2b Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
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Week 57
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We continue to swelter here in the mid-south, breaking single-day records for 8 of the past 12 days. The bluegrass is anything but, as the rain has been spotty at best, and highly damaging at its worst. Even so, we feel very fortunate, as many have it much worse than us; they've struggled to stay cool and restore normalcy in the face of power outages and immense damages due to straight-line winds in excess of 90 mph in some cases. As Rtype pointed out, our wants to run are pretty trivial pursuits in the wake of such calamities.....but run we must.

I managed only about 23 miles on 5 runs (4 days) this week, including a race on the 4th. Heat and humidity played heavily in my decisions to not run on several days, as I couldn't get out the door early and then just couldn't justify running later in the day. My weekly log looks as such:
Sun: 6.8 easy (3.2 am, 3.6 pm)
Mon: 0 too busy dawn-to-dusk
Tue: 0 bagged it given I was racing on Wednesday
Wed: 7 w/10k race in 38:23
Thu: 0 pretty sore afte the race, knee was pretty tight
Fri: 4.1 easy (3 on trails)...a little less sore, but knee was still pretty stiff
Sat: 5 easy to moderate, a little less stiffness in the knee

Race Report for the Bluegrass 10k:
When my knee started aching a few weeks back, I really thought "here we go again"; it might be the start of another race-less summer. I'd missed a week and a half of training, missed my usual tune-up 5k, and stopped trying to shed a few pounds in the weeks leading up to race day. In essence, I'd given up preparing for the race; it didn't help that the long range forecast was for hot, hot, hot. But then during the last week of June, I had a couple of decent workouts indicating I might be able to race it without ruining my knee. Although I knew I couldn't be as competitive as I'd like, I posed to the group whether they thought I should give it a go. Thanks for your responses, and especially to Alan Bennett for putting things in proper perspective and cajoling me into toe-ing the line. So a few pounds heavy, and few miles under-trained and under-raced, and a few degrees too warm, I signed up for the race at the "Last Chance" race check-in on the 3rd of July. My expectations were pretty low.

Woke up a 5:30, had some iced coffee and honey toast, but never really got into my usual pre-race routine, I mostly sat and worked the crossword puzzle waiting to hit the latrine. Got out the door about 6:50 to head downtown and start prepping for the race (sorta). I figured that since I wasn't going for a PR, I didn't need to be as ready to go fast from the gun, so I did very little warm-up (maybe just 500m of jogging and a few light dynamic stretches). What I mostly did pre-race was enjoy seeing my running friends at the start. We talked about how our training has been going (or not), we talked about getting together to do some speedwork (never seems to materialize), and we talked a lot about the ridiculous weather, haha.

The weather report indicated that the temperature at the 7:30 start of the race would be about 75 degrees and with the rapid onset of daylight would climb to near 80 by 8:00 and into the mid 80's by 8:30. Humidity would also be fairly high with light winds. This would be one of the warmest start temperatures for the Bluegrass 10k, but even so, some 3,300+ runners (and walkers) chose to brave the heat and partake in the event.

This race has never offered prize money and that tradition continued, which tends to keep many elites away, but a few local elites from surround colleges always come through to at least provide some competitiveness on the front end. This year, a couple of local small-school standouts battled for second and third, but they knew from the get-go that they were badly outmatched by the elegant masters elite runner Kevin Castille; he is absolute poetry in motion. When the gun went off, he immediately separated himself from the field, went through the mile in about 4:44, kept it strong, maintained fairly even splits, and finishing in 30:07! It was the fastest time in recent history and was the largest margin of victory ever. He’s originally from Lafayette, LA, which may explain why he runs so well in the heat, but I wonder what he could have run under ideal conditions. You can read about his race here:
http://www.kentucky.com/2012/07/04/2248419/bluegrass-10k-winners-race-proves.html
I’m just sorry that the race organizers won’t pony up some money to bring in more elite runners. He most certainly could have run sub-30 with some competition. This could and should be a premiere event; there is discussion about the race being managed by a different group in the future, if so, maybe things will change for the better.

As for my race, I tried to start out more modestly than usual. I figured I’d shoot for 38 minutes and see what happens. I came through the mile in 5:56, which felt surprisingly easy, hit the 2-mile mark in 11:55 (5:59 split) still feeling good, but was already thinking this was too fast for me to maintain. The third mile is deceptive; it’s a climb out of downtown on a shallow 1.5% grade that you hardly notice, and during that mile, I felt that I was running smooth, but I could tell that I was flagging and my third mile split was 6:21, as I came through the halfway mark in 18:53. The fourth mile is downhill at about the same 1.5% grade for the first 2/3rds mile then you turn around and start heading back up that same hill. My fourth mile split was 6:19 which was a bad sign, as I should have been able to get back down around 6:00 for this mile. I’d also lost contact with the guys that I was running with for the first half of the race. It doesn’t get better from that point as the lack of training and the heat started to mess with my attitude. The fifth mile has the last bit of uphill (I clocked it in 6:23), then the last 1.2 is either downhill or flat (mile 6 was IN 6:08). From mile 4 onwards, I really felt I was just trying to hang on, as I finished in 38:23 with a second half time of 19:30. I was spent and pretty light-headed at the finish. A bunch of guys that I have traditionally beaten were ahead of me, so it’s clear that I was not at my best. On the other hand, this was right in the ballpark of where I figured I’d be, I did end up winning the 50-54 division by a few minutes, and all things considered, it does portend to better days ahead, if I can get my knee to behave and my weight back down to where it ought to be.

It was a good day for masters, as my new acquaintance Glenn Mays (41) ran 33:17 for 4th place, and my good buddy Ricardo Ocampo (44) placed 15th. Never have so many masters been in the top 15. The women’s side was not as competitive, as the winning time was just 39:05, and 43:40 would get you in the top 15.

As for the rest of the week? Well, the knee felt fine the rest of the day after the race, but it was quite stiff the following day; I took the day off. I labored through 4 easy miles on Friday, and another 5 easy-to-moderate miles on Saturday. With no races on the horizon, it’ll be easy running and rehab on the knee for the foreseeable future. Hopefully, I’ll be able to build up to a better fall racing season.

OK, that is my long-winded report for this week. If you manage to read this far, I thank you for enduring my self-indulgence. I hope you all are making it through whatever weather (or aftermath) you’ve got going on and would certainly love to know how others are managing to race and train during this heat wave. Mo’pak, thanks for your detailed report from the more wintry down-under.

Best wishes to all!
racerdb
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 10:43AM - in reply to lucKY2b Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Tough week with the heat and all, just like everyone else. But as always, we got though it! Read about all the races last week. I couldn't imagine running a race in those conditions.

Exactly 70 miles this week with two double days. Nothing fast but kind of pleased with my second run on Thursday; 101 degrees and managed 7 miles at 6:36 pace. Pretty sure it was the hottest conditions I've ever run in. Saturdays 13 also went well in nasty hot humid conditions. Decided not to push it and just ran comfortably. Ended up at 7:07 pace. Dew point was 73 and the temp was at 90 when I finished!

Thinking about when to start my real training for the Fall. I want to run well at the Club XC champs in Dec as well as a decent HM in Oct/Nov. Might start some light tempos in a week or so. Don't want to start too early...December is still a long way off!

Have a good week everyone!

Dave
Rtype
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 11:18AM - in reply to lucKY2b Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'd say that's a pretty good race for an old fat guy lucKY :-)

Mon = rest
Tue = rest
Wed = 5 inclucing July 4th 5K Race in 19:24
Thr = rest, sore
Fri = rest, sore
Sat = 5 incl 3 mile tempo @ 6:54 pace
Sun = 4 Mountain with #1 son

Total = 14

An odd week with the July 4th holiday race on a Wednesday. I was pleased with the effort and seems those 400's the last few weeks made a difference. Enjoyed catching up with some old friends I had not seen in a while. Splits were 6:11, 6:19, and 6:21 and I felt pretty decent the whole way.

This is the first race in 2 years in which my legs felt solid enough to wear racing flats. The lower heel left me with sore calves, hams, heels, and a little irritation in the left knee. But thankfully, the evil pes anserine bursitis didn't rear its ugly head.

Sat I wanted to do something hard but was still too sore to do 400's. I figured a good tempo would serve the purpose of running hard yet allow some healing from the race Wed. It worked as I felt better afterwards but still felt like I had a good workout.

After today's hilly mountain run I am pleased to report all soreness gone. My oldest son is training for a tough Mudder race and I try to give him a pretty good workout at 4000 feet where it’s cooler.

For anyone lurking out there I hope my oddball training is not inspiring any copyist. Buried in my past posts is a disclaimer that I am only doing what works for me and that each of us is totally unique. Hopefully, my slothfulness, in and of itself, dissuades.

Many of us stumble along shooting an arrow towards the broad side of a barn hoping to hit something. Unfortunately some individuals take the further step of sprinting to where that arrow struck, painting a bulls-eye around it and ecstatically proclaim: "EUREKA, I have found IT! Do what I do and....buy my book....use my training plan....." or whatever BS they are selling. I sure see a lot of that....
wxboy
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 12:27PM - in reply to lucKY2b Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I was in the derecho impact area so when you combined that with the heat, the past two weeks have been pretty crazy. Last weekend, there were downed trees galore blocking my favorite trail so I just ran and clambered over debris on my weekend workouts. The week came out at 43 easy miles. This week I did an extra 8 on the 4th instead of racing a 5k because I just didn't feel comfortable with my hamstrings yet.

I had hoped to do some good tempo work this weekend as a gradual re-introduction to faster paces. However, like racerdb I had to back off because the conditions were really extreme. If I sense that my mouth is getting dry, that's the signal that I need to back off. I ended up with two 8 milers that were at 7:10 pace or so. Considering how beat up I felt after both runs, I'm considering this to be a successful training weekend. The total mileage for the week was 44

So maybe next weekend I get back to some faster paces, but on the other hand, it's not so bad to be forced into taking things easy for a bit.
lucKY2b
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 4:14PM - in reply to Rtype Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Rtype wrote:I'd say that's a pretty good race for an old fat guy lucKY :-)
Thanks, Rtype. Yeah, we runners have a pretty distorted view of what consitutes "fat". Haha.


Rtype wrote:Wed = 5 inclucing July 4th 5K Race in 19:24
Thr = rest, sore
Fri = rest, sore

Splits were 6:11, 6:19, and 6:21 and I felt pretty decent the whole way.

This is the first race in 2 years in which my legs felt solid enough to wear racing flats. The lower heel left me with sore calves, hams, heels, and a little irritation in the left knee. But thankfully, the evil pes anserine bursitis didn't rear its ugly head.


Nice race. Definitely understand the racing flats deal...I've taken to doing a lot of running (especially on grass) in racing flats. It reduces the soreness in the calves, for sure.


Rtype wrote:Many of us stumble along shooting an arrow towards the broad side of a barn hoping to hit something. Unfortunately some individuals take the further step of sprinting to where that arrow struck, painting a bulls-eye around it and ecstatically proclaim: "EUREKA, I have found IT! Do what I do and....buy my book....use my training plan....." or whatever BS they are selling. I sure see a lot of that....
Yes (although I might stop short of calling it all BS...there are some good general training books out there by very thoughtful experienced runners and coaches, but they should provide caveats, signs to look for that their training program might not work for you). And for anyone that reads through this thread, they'll see that there is a broad range of experiences with a broad range of training programs and a broad range of outcomes. Reiterating what I think is Rtype's point, echoed in the preamble, we're all our own experiment with our own ideosyncracies...but we share and we learn what others have had successes or failures with in dealing with the myriad of issues that can derail us aging runners. In that way, we hope to find what parameters matter, what we can adjust, as we strive to run as best we can while aging.

It's all good.

Hey! It's raining! Woo-hoo! Cooler temps (can't believe I'm calling 90 degrees cooler temps) on the way!
alf tupper
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 5:09PM - in reply to AK-53 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
just started running after 20 years off hell its hard work 4 stone over my race weight bring it on

AK-53 wrote:

Banished from using my computer today because my wife has taken over. Hope this new format works. Been running regularly since 1976 with 4 or 5 years off due to injury; have had almost all the common ones that waylay runners. The latest being stress fractures an entry level arthritis in my knee. As most regulars know I xc ski half the year. 5K has been bandied about as a bellweather. Have not broken 16 since 1993, before that I enjoyed about a decade when I ran sub 16 pretty much every time out. Ran 16:20 as 40+ and best 50+ 2 yr ago was 17:01. Now maybe 17:30 shape but in a funk lately despite age grading well. To get back to a level I want it would take building back to 60 or 70 mpw but last year I got reinjured at 50 mpw so must be careful. 41 for the 3rd week in a row. We shall see what future weeks bring. Meanwhile I have enjoyed reading everyone's story so far.
AK-54
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 5:26PM - in reply to alf tupper Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Good job in the 10K lucKY. Hope all of you in the oven called the lower 48 get through this heat wave. Unheard of temps, a generation ago, and lasting for weeks at a time.

Here in AK it's pretty nice. I have always thought we could do well by hosting summer running camps here. Usually 50s to 70s, long days, trails, not much traffic on the roads, several all-weather tracks.

56 for the week plus a 1:15 hill climb bike ride. Kind of shifting to aerobic training and will be bumping the mileage some and adding rollerskiing.
old guy II
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 5:47PM - in reply to AK-54 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I dropped off posting for a while when I got busy at work and had some fun but full weekends of child and grandchild events. My mileage has been in the mid 40s for the last month with one quality workout per week. I did a 4th of July 10K and went 40:10, which was a little slower than I hoped, but it felt like a good effort. 20:00 at 5k and 20:10 the second half, so it was well paced. It takes me a long time to recover from an effort of that intensity now that I am 60+. However, I hope to get the mileage back up to about 60/wk from now until XC starts in late Aug.
Alan Bennet
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 5:59PM - in reply to mo'pak Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

mo'pak (6/24/2012 8:02AM) wrote:
... I took about 15 spots on the first section of descent and held my spot as we turned back uphill then took another couple on the next downhill section. A few spots were lost again on the river flats. Threw 10k in 43.10. The last lap was tough going but felt strong, held my ground up the hill, worked past a few on the bog but had a fella get past me. Picked him and a few more off on the down, and got by 3 more before we hit the river flats. ...
Wondering if it is the mountain biking that makes you relatively better on the downhills?
mo'pak
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 6:23PM - in reply to Alan Bennet Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Alan Bennet wrote:

[quote]mo'pak (6/24/2012 8:02AM) wrote:
... I took about 15 spots on the first section of descent and held my spot as we turned back uphill then took another couple on the next downhill section. A few spots were lost again on the river flats. Threw 10k in 43.10. The last lap was tough going but felt strong, held my ground up the hill, worked past a few on the bog but had a fella get past me. Picked him and a few more off on the down, and got by 3 more before we hit the river flats. ...
Wondering if it is the mountain biking that makes you relatively better on the downhills?[/quote]

Possibly helps Alan, probably mentally more than physically.
I think attitude is a factor. I attack the downhills aggressively while many see them as a chance to take a breather and others hesitate out of "fear".
I have a long background in mountain running and used to be a much stronger climber than others of my level on the flat.
Just can't climb like that any more. But ground gained running downhill comes at a cheaper price than that gained uphill or on the flat. Gravity does most of the work.
Alan Bennet
RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum 7/8/2012 6:58PM - in reply to old guy II Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Week 57: 45 miles holding to the same basic pattern as weeks 54-56. I will do much the same for week 58, then weeks 59-60 I am going to get foolish with the mileage.

Tue 5 including drills, strides, 3x hill repeat
Thu 6 easy
Sat 400m race, very low-key
Sun 12 slow (just under 9:30/mile pace), with 3x strides inserted

The balance was seven 3-mile easy runs. Plus 40 miles walking, 3x weights, 3x core/stretching, 1x yoga, and 30 minutes elliptical (it was jut too hot Saturday to do another 3-mile run!).

This second 400m race *felt* like a much better race, but I have no idea of my time, LOL. There is no website and so far no response to my email. I doubt it was much faster than the first effort. It was a mixed heat with five or six high school kids and two masters, me in the 46-55 division, the other guy in the 56+. The best high schooler was in lane 1 and never looked back. I have no idea how far ahead he finished. I went out conservatively in lane 3 and passed everybody else on the backstretch, then kind of floated the turn before digging in. A crazy kid in lane 7 blasted by coming off the turn and died about 25m from the line. I got outkicked at the end by the lone girl in lane 4 (actually she kicked and I didn't), EXCEPT she stopped running right at the finish line so it was a photo finish. Call it third place for me, certainly a moral victory for her. I still had a little something at the end, next time I am going to kick. Lesson learned.

I am not setting the world on fire here, but these track races are fun! It's all new, spectating is a treat, and it's so much better knowing I am in one of the events. Getting a little worried though, as I have started eyeing the hurdles....
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