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Very nice first race after being, literally, buried in snow for months. |
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I second that. AK, nice start to the running season! Muddy and Mo'pak: Great race synopses! I feel like my running is pretty mundane by comparison. It's fun to read your all's colorful race reports. Thanks! Happy Birthday, Mike...a little late on the draw. OMG, hope your race today goes (went) well. rlb, thanks for the added info about the 3000m run from the previous week...I see that Brian P. also ran pretty well. Wonder whether he'll have a chance at your AR. Heard this report on NPR...they always talk about runner's high, but I can't say I've ever felt it: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/05/07/151936266/wired-to-run-runners-high-may-have-been-evolutionary-advantage Also, if you need a laugh, I thought this was humorous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2TRUUu2uHo Cheers! |
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Here's how you can feel it: Don't train at all for a month, then go for a super-easy run. When you are giddy and can't wipe away the foolish grin, there's your runner's high. |
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69.5 miles in 7 days like this: Monday- 9.5 miles with 5 X 3100 (3:00 rec) @ 13:57, 13:28, 13:36, 13:29, 12:31 Tuesday- 16.25 miles easy (it was hot!) Wed. 8.25 with 25 X 1/4 (:45 rec) @ 1:39 Thurs- 5 easy Friday- 9 easy Saturday- 5.5 with 3 in 21:08 Sunday- 13.1, Lincoln Half Marathon as training run, 1:51:xx |
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Reading the MWR&R thread alerted me to the results of the Bloomsday 12k Run held in Spokane, WA this past Sunday. In those results, I see the Brian Pilcher set a new AR in the 55-59 division with a time of 41:08. http://www.bloomsdayrun.org/Results/AgeWinners.asp?year=2012 The old mark was 41:24 set by Stephen Lester back in '98 (presumably on this same course.) http://www.usatf.org/statistics/records/byEvent.asp?division=american&location=road&age=masters&distance=12&distanceUnits=km&distanceType=run Mbarak Hussein lowered his own 45-59 result from last year, as well. Kudos! Well done! |
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I love this thread. I've figured out that I can't reach my goals on 45-50 mpw. There are other guys my age fitting in the miles and if I want to compete I have to fit them in too. You guys inspire me. How many are from Upstate NY? |
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OMG- better to run well in the race, if you have a choice between that and the workout. Ak-54- also had meant to say nice run! Barely out kicking a 49 yr guy is still good. L2b- answering your question about Brian having another shot, he did come through the 3k faster in his 5k record than he ran at the Striders meet, so he'd have a shot if he gets in the right race. Here is the cool thing about masters track. Brian emailed my own club to find out if anyone was going to be around the 9:21 pace. One of the guys put a message up that he was hoping to hit close to that, if Brian wanted to pace off him. In that same race Pete Magill in trying to decide if he was ready to run the 5k a week later, just wanted to see if he could hit 71 pace for 5 or 6 laps. He was hoping that he could help Ken Ernst get the 50 record. Ken had taken some time off with an injury and wasn't able to stay on that pace, but took a shot just in case. I also found out that Dave Cannon tried for the 9:21 in Eugene this last weekend, but didn't get it. I'm actually more surprised that he didn't get it, but at this age you never know what is going on with someone at the time of a race. One of my friends that used to live down where I live, was one of his pacers. Another friend (60+) that just moved up to Eugene has a running news site that covers the area I live in. He also ran in the race, and wrote about the record attempt on his site, otherwise I wouldn't have even known, unless Dave had broken it. Rich |
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muddygirl, I enjoyed your account of the race. My favorite part was you scaling the fence to get your compression sleeves. I have this mental picture of you clawing your way up a ten-foot chain link fence, grabbing your sleeves and then going back over the fence. I suspect it was not quite that dramatic, but when they make a movie of the race, that's how Hollywood will present it. Anyway, a recovery week here as both hammys were very sore after the 10K last week. I did 5 or so easy on the weekdays, and by the weekend, my legs felt pretty good. I did two consecutive 8 mile tempo workouts on a flat trail over the weekend. In this workout I go out 4 mostly as a warmup. Then, I turn around and come back, not trying to hit any particular pace. Instead I just concentrate on maintaining my form. If it means I slow down a bit, that is okay as it hopefully means I am training, not straining. The first one on Saturday showed that I'd recovered nicely as I went out in 6:46 pace, and back in 6:23. Afterwards, however, I could feel the fatigue in my quads and hammys. Sunday's workout reflected that fatigue, as the pace for the outbound 4 miles was 7:36, and the return pace was 6:43. Given I didn't hurt myself, I got what I wanted out of the weekend. |
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lucKY2b, Thanks for your input on my marathon goal. I'm of a similar mindset as yours, in that I think I'll go out at 7:15-7:20/mile for the first half or so, and then try to crank it down from there. As you mentioned, last year's winning time was "only" 3:13, which should be very doable for me. Although I'm anticipating that many others have seen that too, and this year there will be a dozen guys under 3:00. LOL! I did run 20 miles of the course (from miles 4-24) many weeks back, so I'm at least a bit familiar with the course. If it does indeed go out at 3:10-3:15 pace again this year, I'd much rather be the hunter and come from behind, than run in the lead, scared, for 20+ miles. :) |
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Thanks guys for your encouragement, it was a good start to the season here. Unfortunately we don't have many competitive 5Ks on accurate courses here. I'm going to try to get locals--including my high schooler son who wants to go low/sub 16--to run a fast 5000 track this June. Tim, your schedule and plan look solid. I might add some ideas about your training but I think those have been discussed already: having some higher mileage weeks mixed in with lower sometimes; not taking a day off every week; easing up a bit on recovery days; and varying pace on some of those long runs (e.g., 30 to 70% "easy", and 70 to 30% at goal pace). But if you feel that what you have been doing is working for you then why not? Wow, just wow on the 50-54 5000 record getting smashed twice by two runners on two consecutive weekends. FAST fast times. |
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Hey runn! Welcome to the thread. Your running adventure is your own, but we'd love to share in your experience; come be apart of the conversation. As for who is from where. I know where a lot are from, but not all. Not certain that we have any regular posters from upstate NY at the moment....nyloco on the MWR&R thread comes to mind. We did have one regular poster from the Finger Lakes region (an awesome trail runner, I might add), but she got injured last summer, and we haven't heard from her since. "No Longer Stressed", if you're still peaking in from time to time, hope that you are doing well. We'd love to hear how it's going. _________________________ rlb, thanks for the further information. I am a bit envious of what you guys got going on the west coast. It is clear that there is a solid group of masters runners committed to being the best they can be. This creates a very fertile atmosphere for masters camaraderie, competition, and success. It's infectious, I'm sure. |
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************************* Week 50 ************************* A shout out to all Mother's on this day! I hope that you 50+'ers have someone that you can dote on in Their honor. And to the mom's that have graced this thread: Have a Great Day! For the week, I managed about 52 miles on 7 days (9 runs). Another mix of efforts and paces, but no long runs. My training log looks as such: Sun: 4 tempo (sort of) in 26:20, with the middle two in 12:30 (I was time-limited) Mon: 8 easyish w/6.5 on grass Tue: 6.3 (5.3 steady @6:36 pace, 1 easy) Wed: 6.5 w/2x(6x(375m@5k pace, 188m jog)) Thu: 11.5 (5 am easy, 6.5 pm easy) Fri: 5 easy, but with 8 40-50m pick-ups Sat: 10.4 (4.4 am w/5k XC race in 19:16, 6.0 pm easy) Two stories: 1) You'll notice the odd distances on the interval workout Wednesday. Well, here's the story on that. Since the University is rebuilding its track, our club has not had access to it, so we've been forced to find another venue to do our interval workouts. Unlike most progressive cities that I had lived in, Lexington's high schools are VERY protective of their turf (they'll claim it's a liability issue; I think they just find it easier to just say no), so the only open "tracks" (and I use the term loosely) are outside some of the middle and grade schools. They are typically very narrow and vary from 200m to 400m in length. The largest one is at Southern Middle School and it has 3 lanes that are each 0.75 m wide. It was laid down without excavation, so it actually has a hill in it (don't laugh); it's not a big one, but you definitely have to increase your effort if you don't want to slow down, haha. So my club mates have been using it since last fall, and they had said it was 400m (as measured with someones Garmin). Well last Wednesday was my first time to the track, so I thought I'd just do some 400m@5k effort with 200m jog recovery. I was also helping out a buddy who is trying to break 19 min. He'd been coming to the track and had been running 10x"400" (@76-77s) with full recovery, I told him he should ease up on the 400's and take a shorter recovery if he wants to improve his 5k time. So I said "lets just run 85's for a while, and see how it goes" and I started us off at what I thought was about the right pace...I thought it might be a tad quick (maybe 82s), which I often do on that first one, but when I came through at 77s I thought "no way". We went ahead and finished out the 12x"400", right at about 83s average, but it felt too easy to me. So yesterday, my OCD finally overwhelmed me, and I grabbed a 30m tape-measure from work and measured the thing. Suspicions confirmed; I measured it to 375.2+/-0.5m; all our times were about 5s short of a 400m. Moral of the story: don't send a Garmin to do a tape-measures job. 2) Saturday's XC race was not planned. Sometime after Wednesday's interval workout, I felt I was ready to take another stab at getting back under 18 minutes, so I looked on the race calendar of our local grassroots shoe store "John's Run/Walk Shop" (the same one that is sponsoring Kevin Castille, btw) for a nearby race to run. Slim pickings, as the past few weeks have seen some big races and marathons in the area, but I found an event in the neighboring town that John's was also timing, so I knew it would be fairly accurate. There was no mention of it being an XC race on the flyer....just to meet at "The Path". Being a church charity event to raise money for their mission work (helping victims of human trafficking), I just assumed "The Path" what they called their church branch. That's been common these days; modern churches calling themselves "The Way", or "Quest", or "The Word"...bad assumption on my part. "The Path" is a 1.5-mile walking and meditation trail loop cut out of a field on a hill. I didn't bring my spikes and it was plenty humid the night before, so the grass had a healthy dew on it, but the ground was firm. There was no real competition with only 66 participants, so once I dispensed with the couple of teenagers that always go out too fast, it was pretty much a solo run for me. They didn't use a course guide, but the trail was easy to follow and well marked, so there was no place to go off course if you just followed the most obvious path. There were no flat spots on the course. The hills were not overbearing (the worst hill was about a 50 ft climb over 1/10th mile), but they were relentless, nonetheless. You were almost always going up, or going down, or running on a slant. The only dicy part was negotiating the slants as you'd charge down a hill, then make a sharp bend at the bottom onto an outward-sloping slanted pathway...on wet grass...without spikes. I don't know about you guys, but at our age, I'm really not thrilled about going down hard on my hip, so I was pretty cautious around those bends. Even with all this, I managed 19:16 (9:30 out, 9:46 back). Not quite sure what to make of the time (it compares favorably with other races run on this course,) but I do think the course is pretty accurate: one of the guys behind me got 3.12 on his Garmin, and I went to USATF's Map It tool to come up with 1.55 for one way (couldn't pinpoint *exactly* the turn-around on map it, so I had to guestimate that a tad.) In the end, I was happy with the run, especially since I felt that I ran hard, but controlled, so I think I'm on a positive trajectory heading into summer racing. Certainly spikes and real competition would have helped, but not sure how much. Finally (I hesitate to put this in, but what the hell), wInning by a minute and a half, I got a real chuckle when one of the young ladies working the finish shoot came up after the race and was just gushing at what a "beast" I was. I tried to tell her that there are plenty of guys my age that can kick my keister....but she wasn't having any of that and just kept going on...so I didn't push it and ended our conversation with a smile and a polite "thanks". Us old guys gotta take our praise when we can get it, right? OK, I have to say that I just had a lot of fun running this week. It's great to have a week where none of your runs feel like a grind. We're now on 50 weeks of the 50+ thread! We're two weeks shy of a year since going to this format. Thanks to everyone for keeping this adventure/experience/experiment going! You've all been (and remain) a great inspiration! |
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A very nice week here. First off, congrats to Mike F. for his streak of 500 days! Not only amazing, but very impressive. So many things can happen to make a missed day occur. Two track sessions this week, 12 x 200 and 8 x 200. The last run this morning. Felt very good and encouraged. Other days were treadmill runs in Detroit and Chicago. Friday I ran the 12 x 200 at Benedictine College in Lisle, Illinois, and site of Nationals in August. Spikez and others who are thinking about going, here are my comments…… The track is nice, no issues at all. I ran at 11:30 and there was a bit of wind already coming over the burm situated behind curves 3 and 4. I felt the burm really served no purpose as it seemed to not knock the wind down at all. The trees along the back straight were full of leaves but since the wind was not coming from that direction, had little impact. I watched the US and Benedictine flags on the scoreboard and they were fluttering heavily to straight out most of the time. Sprints will be with the wind and it is certainly possible marks will be wind aided. I ran my 200’s alternating direction and found my times equal with and against the wind, maybe I tried to compensate – I didn’t think I had. The grandstands are nice, shade underneath. A concession stand, large toilet area, large grass field for warming up, plenty of parking. The wind is what it is; humidity might be playing in too. I went ahead and booked one of the hotels listed on the meet web site, pretty good rates. Hope this summary helps. Another track session on tap for Tuesday then out to Tallahassee for the weekend and another work event. Happy Mother Days to all you mom’s out there! Have a great week! |
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M- 1hr mtn bike, steep trails. T- 2hr run on mtn trails, very steep. W- 1hr mtn bike, 50m. kyak. T- 1hr 30m trail run, steep hills. F- 1hr xc run. S- 45m mtn bike,50m hilly run, mix of rd, trails and paddock. S- 2hr easy forest run. No racing this week. Both my clubs were race free. Missed a race on sat. with family commitments. Tuesday's run was on very steep trails in an area (Kinglake) I used to run regularly when I lived in Melbourne. Particularly beautiful area but a beast of a ru, probably only clocked up 20k with about 800m of aggregate elevation gain. Rest of the runs were just easy rolling along knocking up some kms. |
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Mon = 5K @ 7:24 pace Tue = 5K 1X6 reps Wed = 5K @ 8:20 Thr = rest Fri = rest Sat Night = 5K "race" Sun = 3.7 Mountain Total = 17 Gotta love those 5 laps to the mile elementary school tracks lucKY. Was it Dellinger that said “when they put hills on tracks then we’ll train hills…”? Ha ha. I sympathize. The only other person I can run with is a pretty fast woman who happens to prefer a cinder track that is closer to where she lives. But now that college is out I think I’ll have to go it alone and run on my alma mater’s very nice high tech track…which I donated money to help re-surface. The week was a prep for the race Sat. I was a bit sore from last weeks harder than usual efforts. I worried that the pes anserine bursitis was coming back following last Saturday's hard effort on the track. But fortunately it remained quiescent. I have quotation marks around my race last night as it was such a stinker and so slow it hardly counts as a good workout. It was warmer than I expected and I totally screwed up the prerace hydration and fueling since it started in the evening. I ran exactly one mile on pace (6:17) before the diaphragm cramps set in. It was quickly downhill from there. It’s been a long time since I wanted to just disappear off a course but my car was parked at the finish line, so I figured, what the heck, finish this ugly thing and get out of town! I managed 17th out of 600, left, knowing there was no way I would place in my age group. I was shocked to see I “won” the 50-54 group. That was hollow indeed. Happy Mother’s Day. |
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I seem to be having homophone issues; that's two for my last two. Geez! Finish "Chute", of course. Props to MikeF. Nice feat, but I suppose feet would also work. :-P |
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55 miles, ran all 7 days. 500 days!? That's amazing, Mike F. Mine is at 13 and it ends tomorrow. Congrats on the age group W Rtype, even though it was low key. Tuesday tempo 4 miles in a 10 mile run Friday hill reps (yeah I've heard the Dellinger quote about hills on tracks), 10% grade about 250 m long at mile effort. That was tough! Sunday was 12 mile aerobic fartlek with 15 min warm up, then about an hour with 6-7 min sort of hard effort alternating with about the same amount of time running easy. Run on back roads and trails, often single track, and lots of hills. I opted out of an 11 mile off road race here--very popular locally and I sometimes do it as a hard training run--but it has a huge climb and a long downhill and tends to beat up the legs for a week or so, and I want to have fresh legs for the next two weeks. Lamenting the lack of good quality races with accurate courses here. Mostly off distance 7.7 miles or 11.3 with 2000 ft of vertical etc. |
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I like all the race stories we've been getting. They are very entertaining and show the unique perspective we have in this age group. I had a solid week, with 5 every morning during the weekdays. Saturday I did a 3x1 mile with 1 mile rest on the trail. The miles were 5:38 (flat), 5:43 (slightly downhill), 5:58 (slightly uphill). This was faster than I did it a month ago, especially the first mile, so I was very pleased. The only problem was that I had to stay calm on Sunday's workout, which was my 8 mile tempo. I went out in 7:11/mile for the first 4 and came back in 6:15/mile. I worked hard to just focus on keeping my form and not let the excitement of Saturday's success push me to over exert myself. I think I was successful as I'm not feeling any out of the ordinary aches and pains tonight. |
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Pretty good week, not so good race. 62 miles, one workout Tue of 4 min on/off with the on's at about 5:40 pace. 25K race on Saturday. Fell apart around 8 miles and began damage control. 5:50'ish the first 8; Maybe 6:20's to the finish. Was still sort of ok at 10 in 59:42 but it was over...lost my will to compete and just wanted to be done. Ended up 1:35:45...Guess I'm not ready to run at that level. Redemption Half Marathon in two weeks. All the Best, Dave |
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