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Reboot,

Start your tempo with 800s with a 2:00 rest and work up from there. Of course my suggestions are from afar not knowing your daily routine. That said, I would assume you just need to restructure, increase your intensity, volume and balance with rest.

Igy

He's complaining of soreness and you're recommending increased volume and intensity? I don't get it.

imarunner,

That's because you are inexperienced. His loading is likely constant rather than varied.

Igy

I'm not inexperienced. Why would you make such a statement? You don't know me.

He is cross training. That's varied.

You have a point, my loading is admittedly constant this summer.

Although I was running 6-7 days a week and doing 40+ miles a week the last two summers with more variety and felt less beat up, I continue to feel like I'm more beat up (sore) than my peers under similar conditions and fitness.

My mom, rest in peace, was full of sayings and such and often said never try to break up a dog fight other than throwing a bucket of water on them.

But Igy, imarunner is legit and has been around a long time.

Reboot--get a blood test just to rule out something physiological. Not saying I had the same issue but a blood test last year following a year of of and on feeling fatigued and sore revealed some imbalances. So I changed my diet.

That worked out I think nothing beats consistency. Built to 5-6 days a week, even if the volume is small. Hold it for a bit and increase from there.

KP wrote:

ANOTHER Nice KP Workout Dave!

Funny... I did mine this morning and also hit 3:02. Modified to 2x 150s 1x1000 3:02 1 x 400 66 2 x 200 32-31. Hard to hit that 1000m interval alone isn't it? I'll take it too since I have a massive case of jet-lag having arrived to Portland from Italy only 42hrs ago.

Toronto 1500 will be a tough race with a stellar field but am confident, with planned taper/rest I can hang on for a shot at a round hunk of metal.

Toronto 800 same story and this week's final KP workout will prove confidence with a classic 400-600-400-200 session highlighting the all-out 600.

KP

Looking forward to your Toronto races. You should try to make it to Flint in few weeks. Looks like we would be darn close!

So...How do you pace your workouts? I've been trying to stick to 71-72 pace as I get into it and the longer reps, then finish faster. My goal pace for my race is 72'ish.

I'll need to add the 4-6-4-2 workout to our schedule. Next Wednesday I'm thinking about my classic DB workout...400-800-1200-1600-400. Really get after it and see where I'm at. Its 17 days out from race day. My training partner will be out of town so I'll need to go at it alone.

Dave

imarunner,

Sorry, your response seemed inexperienced. The poster's explanation of training sounded like loading errors, possibly too much sameness. Improved fitness is attained by stimulating the system thru loading volume and intensity, and of course balanced by adequate rest.

Igy

A bit late to the party and I haven't posted a for a few weeks.

Mon. 45 min. kayak. Hilly 3 km run 19 min.

Tue. A hilly 23 km mtn bike split in the middle with a hilly 3 km run in 20 min.

Wed. A solid (read way too hard) 11 km hilly run (320 metres elevation gain) 59 mins.

Thu. Slow and very hilly 3 km jog 23 mins. 40 mins kayak. 2 x 35 min commute walks.

Fri. Very hilly 42 km mtn bike in 2 h 22 m.

Sat. 30 min kayak with 3 x 3 min hard efforts and easy 3 km jog in 18 mins.

Sun. Easy 5 km run in 26 mins and 6 km hike.

Easing back into more regular running after erratic hip and hammy issues.

I didn't run the previous week but managed 4 mtn bike rides totalling 85 kms and 3 kayak sessions. The previous week I did 3 runs totalling 30 kms. 2 rides totalling 56 kms and 2 kayak sessions.

Hi ya'll, been some time since posting. Now have a little more time to spend on such stuff. Did post as rlb in the past.

Attempting to come back from an IT band problem after a couple months off. Now have 3 weeks of running completed.

1st week back was a 40 minute walk and a 2 1/2 and 3 mile jog.

2nd week was 3 runs totaling 13 miles;

Sun- 3 mi jog ( 9 min pace)

Tues- 4 1/2 mi including 5 laps @ 7:22 pace.

Fri- 5 1/2 mi with 2 mi in 13:53.

3rd week was 3 runs totaling 15 1/2 mi ;

Sun- 4 1/2 mi jog (8:50 pace).

Tues- 5 1/2 mi with 2 mi in 14:35

Fri- 5 1/2 mi, with 2 mi in 12:58.

If I can continue to get healthier, I hope to run a hilly 2 mile road race in early Sept, since I'm too late to run any track races. Did the same race last year with 2 weeks of running, so have something to shoot for.

Best

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

imarunner,

Sorry, your response seemed inexperienced.

Igy

Do us all a favor and keep your unsolicited opinions about other posters to yourself.

imarunner wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

imarunner,

Sorry, your response seemed inexperienced.

Igy

Do us all a favor and keep your unsolicited opinions about other posters to yourself.

imarunner,

I suppose if we were sitting at a table discussing training I doubt you would have responded to my initial post like you did. My interpretation of your post was disrespectful as well as ignorant. So I responded in kind.

By the way, the OP understood my point.

Since you did not accept my sincere and honest apology, I will not respond to you in the future.

Igy

imarunner, FYI, Igy has been dogged by an apparently pathologically personality disordered troll on this message board for a long time. It sometimes makes him a bit quick to assume that a poster disagreeing with some comment of his is that troll using yet another pseudonym. Other than that troll, we rarely get posts like yours above on this thread. Normally we can disagree without being disagreeable.

Well isn't that convenient. No explanation regarding what was "disrespectful and ignorant", but a promise of no further replies. I will end this discussion by saying I find nothing sincere or honest about you. Good bye.

old guy II wrote:

imarunner, FYI, Igy has been dogged by an apparently pathologically personality disordered troll on this message board for a long time. It sometimes makes him a bit quick to assume that a poster disagreeing with some comment of his is that troll using yet another pseudonym. Other than that troll, we rarely get posts like yours above on this thread. Normally we can disagree without being disagreeable.

Thanks for your explanation, but that is hardly an excuse for disrespectful behavior toward innocent posters. Maybe he needs to man up instead of blaming others for his imaginary problems.

old guy II,

I am taking one of your fellow Southern California masters backpacking at the end of the month. I have known Perry Forrester since the mid-1970s. My son and I do a backpacking trip at the end of summer each year. Perry joined us two years ago and is coming back for more fun.

I see you making good progress of late.

Igy

Dave,

I'm sure you, and others here, know the answer to your pacing question. Repetition always works.

Practice 71s a hundred times and the body and mind go into 'automatic mode'. BUT we struggle to be consistent at speedwork on the track, in flats or spikes, at this might I say violent middle distance stuff. And then we age-grade slower every year, or sooner. A Masters Track mentor once told me "Hey KP, just wait until you turn 50... that injury bug becomes a constant". Now 57, I recall feeling like I turned 50 at 48. C'Est la Vie.

Dave, in my opinion you are doing the right thing re-learning how to do the second half of ANY workout faster than the first half. Negative Splits is still an etreprenurial oportunity at any age.

KP

Blood work? Especially Hct/Hgb, uric acid, testosterone levels, and some of the inflammatory markers can be helpful.