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Haushinka
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 2:37AM - in reply to Haushinka Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Haushinka wrote:

Hmm, BC would be a valid guess, as there is no money for mens xc/t&f and there entire team is made up of walk-ons. And it does have a reputation for being a rich kid school, although academically, it is very strong. And then again, there are plenty of schools like that. I think it is kind of futile to try to guess the school to be honest. Afterall, it may be entirely fictional.

The only thing that's odd to me is that the mentioned pre-nats as the second meet of the year she runs.


My bad, I meant that the BC men's team has no scholarships for t&f/xc, and all of their male runners are walk-ons. So guessing BC may make sense. She laments somewhere in the blog that the boys team always gives the girls team s*** because of title IX taking money/scholarships that should be theirs, etc.
Seth says this...
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 7:02AM - in reply to midwest girl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
" I fully anticipate the things I have said to be torn apart,"

They may well be torn apart, but they shouldn't be, that was one damn fine post.
Whatevs Dude
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 10:12AM - in reply to Seth says this... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Seth says this... wrote:
They may well be torn apart, but they shouldn't be, that was one damn fine post.


No it wasn't. It was a gay post.
txRUNNERgirl
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 10:16AM - in reply to 4runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

4runner wrote:

[quote]midwest girl wrote:
As for parents- I had a teammate who was fairly successful in college. All conference, all region in xc, regional qualifier in track. She was built sturdier than your typical distance runner, but by no means overweight or even had a couple spare pounds to lose. She just was built differently, plain and simple. Her parents constantly told her she needed to lose weight, shouldn't wear buns, was a disappointment because of her weight (something they said she could control), and finally said they would stop coming to meets if she didn't lose weight. Obviously you can see where this went.



I'm very, very sorry to hear that.

Please understand that most fathers would cut out their own kidney with a butter knife if it were necessary to help their daughter.[/quote]


I agree with midwest girl about this story being the truth. I've seen and experienced a lot of the same things in high school and especially college. I also had eating disorders throughout both. It's not like I woke up one day and said, gee I think I'll stop eating. It's a subconscious thing that happens gradually. The more "benefit" I got, the more in control I felt, the worse it got. But it had way more to do with how I felt on the inside than the outside. I felt this way because of a lifetime of low self-esteem. Can't say I chose to have a low self-esteem either. However, I won't blame my parents or anyone else completely either because I know this didn't start with them. It may have not even started with their own parents. It's a cycle that can show up in any negative environment. If you're surrounded by negative/toxic people, eventually you start to think like them. So it's ridiculous when someone says a coach doesn't need to worry about the lives of his/her athletes. They spend a large amount of time with them and guide them as an authority figure. This doesn't make them a parent, but they should at least take on some responsibility for the *entire* person. We aren't robots.
coach a
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 10:20AM - in reply to txRUNNERgirl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I agree.... If a coach isn't willing to deal with the psychological side of coaching women, then they don't need to take the job.

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

[quote]4runner wrote:


So it's ridiculous when someone says a coach doesn't need to worry about the lives of his/her athletes. They spend a large amount of time with them and guide them as an authority figure. This doesn't make them a parent, but they should at least take on some responsibility for the *entire* person. We aren't robots.
txRUNNERgirl
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 10:30AM - in reply to Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

A normal letsrunner. wrote:

He is getting paid to make sure they do all those things. He isn't a nanny. I thought this was a great comment by the coach. When I was in college that would have made me felt important and motived.






That's all they need to do, but that's not what the coach in this blog is doing. He doesn't need to be a nanny, but he should be aware of problems outside of race times. It doesn't take a lot. He could start with listening to his athletes instead of making snide comments about their concerns, if it's something he can't handle, that's not "part of his job," then I'm sure he could find someone to help (a doctor, counselor, parent, etc.).
good ol dad
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 11:49AM - in reply to txRUNNERgirl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

There was a pause on my Dad’s end of the phone, and then a sigh. “You know, it’s really late, I guess you should leave the building. Bye.” He hung up.
Fast_Runner
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 12:28PM - in reply to good ol dad Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Maybe I am being ignorant, but I don't understand it:

When you have an eating disorder, doesn't that leave you weak at the end of the day? How do you get all the training in? Train right, sleep enough, don't drink alcohol and eat lots of fruit and vegetables.

Of course, some women are built bigger than others. Accept it and find a different sport. The big men aren't running either, they're playing football or are rowing.
fight or flight
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 12:35PM - in reply to Fast_Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Fast_Runner wrote:

Maybe I am being ignorant, but I don't understand it:

When you have an eating disorder, doesn't that leave you weak at the end of the day? How do you get all the training in?





Your body is in starvation mode, so you run fast for a while, then it catches up to you.
Fat former runner
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 12:39PM - in reply to txRUNNERgirl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

This was also disgusting:

"'There’s a lot of money in this room,' Coach continued. 'A million dollars worth, in fact, over the course of four years.' Coach’s focus turned to the right side of the room. 'You are all getting paid to be student-athletes. This is your job: to run fast, pass your classes, and represent your school on a national level. You are not getting paid to throw parties, slack off on your training, and worry about eating disorders.'”


What do you think you're being paid for, coach?

I get what you're saying, but honestly I think this hypothetical coach would be absolutely right about everything except the bolded part. And that part of the quote didn't really ring true at least in my experience. Probably this coach did implicitly encourage eating disorders or at least ignore the problem, but I have a hard time believing anyone would overtly criticize a runner for worrying about a health issue in front of the team.
yo yo whatup
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 1:01PM - in reply to Fat former runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
as has been alluded to previously in this thread: MALES HAVE EATING DISORDERS TOO

it is just spoken about less
Nutella1
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 1:09PM - in reply to yo yo whatup Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

yo yo whatup wrote:

as has been alluded to previously in this thread: MALES HAVE EATING DISORDERS TOO

it is just spoken about less


Because it happens a lot less.
female college runner
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 2:09PM - in reply to midwest girl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

midwest girl wrote:

When I began reading this, I immediately wondered if it was a former teammate of mine doing the writing. This is our story.

A lot of guys on letsrun pretend they are superior to women because they don't understand them. Check yourself. You have stupid, ridiculous, toxic quirks, too. Just because you are unable to understand the way SOME women internalize pressure does not make you better or worse than them. Don't forget a lot of the issues that face women, face men too. Eating disorders are rampant among male distance runners, yet receive little attention. No one says the sick things about males with disorders that are said about women. I fully anticipate the things I have said to be torn apart, but please remember that we are all driven by the same passion, it just manifests itself in different ways among us.


This has got to be the best post I've ever read on LetsRun.


early 2000's runner girl wrote:

Almost positive it's BC--their women's team had crazy ED issues in the early '00s and the coaches sound like RT and KF.


I know that RT is Randy Thomas, but who was KF? I'm having trouble digging up any information online about BC's assistant coaching staff from before 2005.
J.R.
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 2:54PM - in reply to Fast_Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Fast_Runner wrote:

Maybe I am being ignorant, but I don't understand it:

When you have an eating disorder, doesn't that leave you weak at the end of the day? How do you get all the training in?


I don't understand that either.

The only thing is, some women (usually) are basically down to skin and bones. But it doesn't make sense that they'd be able to train and run their best without eating properly and getting enough calories.
Another vote for BC
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 3:09PM - in reply to 47 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
There is a cemetery right across the street from two upperclass dormatories at BC...don't know about a fire
Wisco Fan
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 3:24PM - in reply to Another vote for BC Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I find it interesting that most men, of which I am one, blame women for title IX. How about 100 plus member football sqauds(85 scholarship plus invited walk ons)? How many of these guys never see the field? Trim that down to 60 or 65 and fund a wrestling or X/C team.
go devils
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 3:27PM - in reply to Fat former runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Fat former runner wrote:

[quote]txRUNNERgirl wrote:

This was also disgusting:

"'There’s a lot of money in this room,' Coach continued. 'A million dollars worth, in fact, over the course of four years.' Coach’s focus turned to the right side of the room. 'You are all getting paid to be student-athletes. This is your job: to run fast, pass your classes, and represent your school on a national level. You are not getting paid to throw parties, slack off on your training, and worry about eating disorders.'”


What do you think you're being paid for, coach?

I get what you're saying, but honestly I think this hypothetical coach would be absolutely right about everything except the bolded part. And that part of the quote didn't really ring true at least in my experience. Probably this coach did implicitly encourage eating disorders or at least ignore the problem, but I have a hard time believing anyone would overtly criticize a runner for worrying about a health issue in front of the team.[/quote]


He might criticize them for worrying about a health issue if he is ignorant that EDs are actually serious issues - and just thinks that the girls are bringing it up for selfish purposes. And selfish or not EDs are serious issues and should not be ignored.
curious also
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 6:00PM - in reply to J.R. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
could be one of many schools. KF = Kathy Fleming, (maiden name: Kathy Franey).
know your role
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 7:15PM - in reply to creditdue Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

creditdue wrote:

My opinion is that scholarship offers are for rewarding hard work in your development. When someone posts stuff about girls not deserving scholarships it really makes me realize how sad some of these people are. If you add up the hours my daughter will train before she goes to college she would totally deserve a scholarship.

To me when women train and rise to the top of their sport it deserves more respect then men. When boys reach puberty they put on muscle, girls put on fat. It is really hard work to continue to get better as an athlete fighting this natural occurrence.


You've said it yourself, scholarships should be earned. But just because your daughter has worked her ass off doesn't mean that other girls recieving stipends deserve them as well. Look at any high school cross country team; there are far fewer girls with the same kind of sport-specific work ethic as there are boys. This is because for females, their focus is not sport, and reasonably so. To young girls, there are more important things than sport, and this is why they should not be rewarded for their sporting efforts in an equivalent manner.

For many young men, sport is what they live and breathe. How many young girls can you say live that lifestyle? Yes, girls put on fat consistently after puberty, because they are NOT BIOCHEMICALLY DESIGNED FOR SPORT. Many are exceedingly successful at sport, which is great for them, but they are engineered to produce viable children and maintain family stasis, whereas males were engineered to hunt and gather. To counter your point, how do the gender related changes during adolescence make them deserve it more??? If anything, it weakens the playing field, making it SIGNIFICANTLY harder for even skilled males to succeed.

Boy not better than girl. Girl smart. Boy strong. Girl thoughtful. Boy impulsive. It's really that simple.

To midwestrunner stating that men face eating disorders as well: I will agree, the emphasis should be on conjoining these two groups, as they suffer the same fates. They are all weak-minded individuals who likely have/had inattentive or ignorant parents or at the very least a negatively influencing peer/colleague/mentor. Anyone who knows that they are hurting their body and does so regardless has been raised poorly in some fashion. It is sick and sad for any cohort, male/female, young/old, but more for the roots behind it than the actual acts.
joe guidice
RE: She was once a runner 5/17/2011 7:41PM - in reply to know your role Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It would seem (if this blog is at least somewhat non-fiction autobiography) the author would have to be a footlocker finalist, likely in the high school class of somewhere around 2004-2007 (would make them out of college recently or in the past couple years, which IMO is the viewpoint the author is writing from).

If BC is the college that is being discussed here, the author could be Nicole Lister, who went to footlockers maybe in 04 or 05, and hasn't done a whole lot since

just a guess
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