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AntiFlagpole
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 8:40PM - in reply to THIS IS IT! Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

THIS IS IT! wrote:

Even coaches that don't want to promote eating disorders have trouble properly dealing with them.

Unfortunately, some teams seem to breed them and this often has to do with the callousness of the coach - many going far enough to encourage it.




First sentence is true, many male coaches do have a bit of a tough time addressing it.

Second is a bunch of BS females across the country use to shirk blame off onto someone else for something that is completely their own making.

The biggest problems, as I said above, are girls that are doing it for attention or who are just competing against each other to see who can be the "best eater". You won't find 1 out of 10 coaches who actually encourage it because everyone with a basic knowledge of running knows that it only hurts you.
goggles
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 8:43PM - in reply to THIS IS IT! Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The eating disorders are only one part of the story. I think one of the main points of the blog is how the atmosphere in the college running environment can suck all the enjoyment out of the sport.
THIS IS IT!
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 8:48PM - in reply to AntiFlagpole Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You won't find 1 out of 10 coaches who actually encourage it because everyone with a basic knowledge of running knows that it only hurts you.[/quote]

I won't find 1 out of 10 - does that mean I'll find 9 out of 10?

Here's 1: She was recently fired from a private northeast institution for doing this very thing.

Telling girls that they NEED to lose weight, praising the girls who obviously have disorders for their performances, and telling an athlete that you are aware that one of your top athletes HAS a problem - but that you dont care and wont confront her - is basically encouragement to an 18yr old freshmen who is dealing with the stress of scholarships and contributing to her DI team
dsddsdssd
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 8:49PM - in reply to goggles Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

goggles wrote:

The eating disorders are only one part of the story. I think one of the main points of the blog is how the atmosphere in the college running environment can suck all the enjoyment out of the sport.
it probably can if you're an obsessive compulsive who needs the first 75 seconds of her run to go a certain way
fat former runner
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 8:52PM - in reply to goggles Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Yeah she portrays the rest of her team with all the even-handed subtlety of socialist strawmen in an Ayn Rand novel. Obviously we're only seeing one distorted side of a very emotionally charged story.

That said, it's a story that needs to be told, and the writing itself is actually pretty good. I plan to keep reading.
THIS IS IT!
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 9:05PM - in reply to THIS IS IT! Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I would also like to add: how many coaches out there would force a woman to miss an important meet because he knew she had an eating disorder? Most people know this is not going to be good long term for the runner. But if she is fit now, not injured, is he really going to stop her? Maybe he's not encouraging it, but he is letting it go on. She runs well, gets praise, and her teammates see it and try to emulate it.
stillruns
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 9:25PM - in reply to THIS IS IT! Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
speaking of the strawman argument, what about the portrayal of the men's team? She makes them sound like a bunch of drunken sexist pigs...
JustSayin
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 9:38PM - in reply to stillruns Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'd just like to point out that it is stories like this (which are common) that just goes to prove women should not be running (or competing in competitive sports for that matter). They simply can not handle the pressure.
naaahhh
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 9:44PM - in reply to JustSayin Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

JustSayin wrote:

I'd just like to point out that it is stories like this (which are common) that just goes to prove women should not be running (or competing in competitive sports for that matter). They simply can not handle the pressure.


um yuhhhyuh nah buddy..good try u dumb f sexiest piece of sh*t.
bguj2009
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 10:10PM - in reply to goggles Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Looks like a blog written by a weak girl who became a fat bitch or somethin. Not reflective of real cross country at the college level at all.
It definitely screams fatty.
under da bridge
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 10:13PM - in reply to JustSayin Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

JustSayin wrote:

I'd just like to point out that it is stories like this (which are common) that just goes to prove women should not be running (or competing in competitive sports for that matter). They simply can not handle the pressure.


too bad the people who make the rules dont agree with you - me and all of the other women will continue to take your scholarships as your sports get the axe, BOO HOO. go cry to your mommy
mellorunner
RE: She was once a runner 5/14/2011 10:58PM - in reply to goggles Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Thankfully I find that I can only relate little pieces of this to my current collegiate running experience.

Thank God.
Been there, done that
RE: She was once a runner 5/15/2011 12:14AM - in reply to mellorunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Well, we are DEFINITELY getting only one side of the story, and I personally believe it's fictionalized. However, I know for a fact that these scenes are played out regularly.

1. People who reach coach in college often get there not because they are the best, but because there are fewer people willing to make the sacrifices, such as low pay and transient, job-chasing lifestyle, to climb the ladder in college. There are many brilliant coaches in college, and there are many others who are assholes/incompetent/insecure who are just looking out for themselves, are a product of their environment, and realistically should never be allowed near insecure, naive, and immature yet talented girls.

2. The girl's trouble, real or not, starts at home. Her parents have sheltered her, her dad and mom clearly live vicariously through her, and her high school coach probably made his reputation by winning the talent lottery. All of these people helped create an environment where she was encouraged to get into unhealthy patterns of thought very early, and rewarded for it.

3. The subject herself clearly STILL doesn't realize that her value as a person is not the same as her value as an athlete. Unfortunately, neither does anyone else around her. This is why great athletes SHOULD have outside friends, interests, etc., so that there is a healthy outlet when things go to hell. What did this girl have? Despite enormous potential, the running world handed her a shit sandwich. My question is this: when she's 50 years old, is she still going to let her life be ruined by this? Because life is about the living, now and in the future, and she will need to get on with it. Here's to hoping the blog is a step towards that.

I've a lot more to say on this subject...I've seen high school girls in a high pressure program turn on themselves and their teammates, and sometimes their coaches. I've had to talk several of them in from the metaphorical ledge. Running isn't life, but you have to approximate devoting your life to it to reach the top, and that line is pretty unclear until you've crossed it.
Hmmmm
RE: She was once a runner 5/15/2011 12:53AM - in reply to Been there, done that Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Been there, done that wrote:

Well, we are DEFINITELY getting only one side of the story, and I personally believe it's fictionalized. However, I know for a fact that these scenes are played out regularly.

1. People who reach coach in college often get there not because they are the best, but because there are fewer people willing to make the sacrifices, such as low pay and transient, job-chasing lifestyle, to climb the ladder in college. There are many brilliant coaches in college, and there are many others who are assholes/incompetent/insecure who are just looking out for themselves, are a product of their environment, and realistically should never be allowed near insecure, naive, and immature yet talented girls.

2. The girl's trouble, real or not, starts at home. Her parents have sheltered her, her dad and mom clearly live vicariously through her, and her high school coach probably made his reputation by winning the talent lottery. All of these people helped create an environment where she was encouraged to get into unhealthy patterns of thought very early, and rewarded for it.

3. The subject herself clearly STILL doesn't realize that her value as a person is not the same as her value as an athlete. Unfortunately, neither does anyone else around her. This is why great athletes SHOULD have outside friends, interests, etc., so that there is a healthy outlet when things go to hell. What did this girl have? Despite enormous potential, the running world handed her a shit sandwich. My question is this: when she's 50 years old, is she still going to let her life be ruined by this? Because life is about the living, now and in the future, and she will need to get on with it. Here's to hoping the blog is a step towards that.

I've a lot more to say on this subject...I've seen high school girls in a high pressure program turn on themselves and their teammates, and sometimes their coaches. I've had to talk several of them in from the metaphorical ledge. Running isn't life, but you have to approximate devoting your life to it to reach the top, and that line is pretty unclear until you've crossed it.


If you read the about section of the blog, it pretty much foreshadows that this entire story is not going to end well. Regardless of whether or not this story is fictional, I am quite intrigued by this blog, and I am predicting an absolute trainwreck. I've seen it happen in real life before under very similar circumstances, regrettably.

What you said about the non-running outlet however is so incredibly important, but it is tough to reconcile not letting running define you as a person and not letting it devour your entire life, and making the sacrifices necessary to make it to the next level, or to be great, as opposed to just good or okay. I think that is partially what the narrarator is struggling with.
agagaga
RE: She was once a runner 5/15/2011 1:38AM - in reply to Hmmmm Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Any way of changing the settings so I can read the oldest posts first?
nokoono
RE: She was once a runner 5/15/2011 2:29AM - in reply to agagaga Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This story is written very well. And jeez, a story is not a political position or a demonstration of proper character for the protagonist. She's describing the experience through a particular social lens, whether admirable or not.
Beta Male
RE: She was once a runner 5/15/2011 5:19AM - in reply to under da bridge Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It's odd that female athletes care so much about how they're performances are perceived by coaches, spectators, etc. Everybody is there for the main event (Men's race) and they just cheer for the corresponding jersey color in the women's race.

Sorry. I heard this from multiple spectators.



Also pertaining to the blog, the chick has obviously gotten fat. You don't run through bags of peanut butter pretzels and stay thin. Also, she should stop worrying about other's problems and worry about how to stop running like sh|t.
halfwit
RE: She was once a runner 5/15/2011 8:57AM - in reply to Beta Male Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Beta Male wrote:

It's odd that female athletes care so much about how they're performances are perceived by coaches, spectators, etc. Everybody is there for the main event (Men's race) and they just cheer for the corresponding jersey color in the women's race.

Sorry. I heard this from multiple spectators.





Funny, because the womens team is on scholarship at this girls school and the men aren't so that would make me think that people care MORE about the women.

And by your line of thinking she should just not even try because no one cares about her performance anyway? Please don't ever have children you dumb sh!t.
ex-xc chick
RE: She was once a runner 5/15/2011 9:32AM - in reply to girl runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

girl runner wrote:

Where do I say I agree with the coach? But if I find out a friend/teammate has a serious mental and physical illness, I don't just think how quickly I can inform on them, I think about how I can offer support - like maybe letting her know you know she has a problem, offering to take her to a counsellor, expressing concern and love for her, suggesting we go together to see the coach, maybe try to convince her to talk to her parents (and if that doesn't work, letting her know I'm talking to the coach and to her parents or a doctor because I want her to get the help she needs) - all of those things seem more productive than just going "ew, disgusting, I thought she was so perfect and now it turns out she has a disgusting disorder, I'll run right to the coach and bitch about her" instead of offering any help or support. And when the coach doesn't listen does she go to see a doctor or counselor to figure out what to do or does she just get resentful and jealous? Is there any thing in that blog that shows any compassion or concern for her teammate, or does she call her "disgusting" and then get pissed that she's still considered perfect by the coach? THis isn't a teammate genuinely concerned about something that could kill or seriously damage her teammates health, she just seems like a bitch who's glad to have her teammate exposed as less pretty and perfect than she thought she was.


If you think about it from the writer's viewpoint, disgust would be a natural reaction. Food has been the enemy of the girl. Binging on food engages in the very thing that she is afraid of. In her mind food control/weight equates to performance which equates to perfection. It shakes up her schema of things when she realizes that someone who is at the extreme opposite end of food control can have good performances.
telling it like it is
RE: She was once a runner 5/15/2011 9:41AM - in reply to halfwit Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

halfwit wrote:


Funny, because the womens team is on scholarship at this girls school and the men aren't so that would make me think that people care MORE about the women.

And by your line of thinking she should just not even try because no one cares about her performance anyway? Please don't ever have children you dumb sh!t.

hey retard, thats because of title 9. without title 9, the men and women would have equal scholarships. its not because ppl care about womens xc and not mens xc. there is federal legislation that requires this. and the federal legislation is not because ppl care, but because in the 60s women werent allowed to play collegiate sports; the legislation is outdated. stop being stupid now.
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