I know people on this board like to give Magness a hard time because his progress stalled after high school, but a 4:01 mile is still a 4:01 mile. You don't run that by accident. Here is his training log for the 2002-2003 year, looks damn solid to me. This is a nice blueprint for success.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ai8LaD6B0TFidEQySXE3anZTYmQ0cElDdWpGQUFnb2c&hl=en
Wow this is awesome. I feel like almost I could do this kinda stuff. looks like he liked about equal lengths of running for his morning and afternoon sessions, everything at about 6 minute pace or how he felt during base.
I remember one of his runners, Ryan Dohner winning the State 3200. I think Ryans pr is something like 8:57 (I could be wrong). I noticed Ryan Dohner has a brother by the name of Bradley Dohner whose a freshman in high school. I saw this kid run a smooth 4:18 at one of our big mile races. I saw where the Bradley kid ran a 9:24 in the 3200. If this kid is under Steve's toolage I suggest everyone keep an eye on him. I saw this kid kick and his speed looks amazing
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5x400 100 meter rest 55, 57, 58, 60, 58, wow!
internet archivist wrote:
I know people on this board like to give Magness a hard time because his progress stalled after high school, but a 4:01 mile is still a 4:01 mile. You don't run that by accident. Here is his training log for the 2002-2003 year, looks damn solid to me. This is a nice blueprint for success.
By the same token you don't go backwards by accident either. This is a blueprint for failure, not success.
I HIGHLY doubt his training in college or post collegiality was as simple as what is included in this log.
Read the log, it's basic type training. Magness regressed when he got into all the scientific shit.
Texas watcher wrote:
I remember one of his runners, Ryan Dohner winning the State 3200. I think Ryans pr is something like 8:57 (I could be wrong). I noticed Ryan Dohner has a brother by the name of Bradley Dohner whose a freshman in high school. I saw this kid run a smooth 4:18 at one of our big mile races. I saw where the Bradley kid ran a 9:24 in the 3200. If this kid is under Steve's toolage I suggest everyone keep an eye on him. I saw this kid kick and his speed looks amazing
Tutelage. Not toolage.
Texas watcher wrote:
If this kid is under Steve's *toolage* I suggest everyone keep an eye on him.
Freudian slip.
yeah is it just me or is this pretty absurd... dude goes from running a workout i could do in my sleep with half the rest to running 14:4x the same week, yet im a 15:20 guy. is it just me or were his track workouts very moderate, but just did a whole lot of 6 minute pace "uptempo" running?
Well, you need to look at all of the training. He peaks at 100 mpw over the summer, then maintains in the 80's for most of the cross country and track seasons, just reducing a little at the end when he needs to be sharp. He's doubling 5-6 days a week for 12 months. Once he's in season it's workouts MWF (or race Saturday), including plenty of sprints.
So - can you do that workout in your sleep within that framework of high volume & high quality?
That made my eyes hurt. Some simple conditional formatting and I hope this looks better. (bottom of the page)
http://2008olympictrialsakatommyleonard.shutterfly.com/filecabinet
It does look better, but it breaks on the case where nothing's entered but a time. For instance, his first entry (5 miles) got converted from 38:55 to 1.62, by some not-quite-clear process.
What did you use to do this, anyway? Does Excel come with such tools or did you write your own?
LW wrote:
I HIGHLY doubt his training in college or post collegiality was as simple as what is included in this log.
Read the log, it's basic type training. Magness regressed when he got into all the scientific shit.
Magness sucked in his first few years in college, well before he got into the science side of things, or at least well before he posted any science stuff publicly.. Why it fell apart who knows. Could be the high mileage in HS caught up to him.
Whatever on his career, but the kid can coach. What he's done witht he Dohner kids and the rest of those hs kids was pretty impressive. He also seems to have done good work with the 1500m guy Schmitz who ran sub 340 earlier this year. We'll see if it translates to the pro level.
thanks for posting the log. Interesting stuff. Nothing crazy in workouts and then all the sudden you'd get some sick workout.
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It does look better, but it breaks on the case where nothing's entered but a time. For instance, his first entry (5 miles) got converted from 38:55 to 1.62, by some not-quite-clear process.
What did you use to do this, anyway? Does Excel come with such tools or did you write your own?
Obviously the original poster isn't quite up to speed on formatting time. He/she used "time" criteria for formatting time when he should have used "custom" criteria ... h:mm:ss
Easy to fix.
To answer your second question I used conditional formatting on duplicate entries (date and day) to change the font color to match the background colr. It gives the appearance of tkaing out the duplicates.
Yes, Excel comes with the tools to do this, and much more. It's a huge application.
The basic concept is this (each version of Excel will have slightly different methods)
Conditional formatting
> use formula to determine formatting
> type in =b2=b1 or a2=a1 (depending on the column)
> click on format
> chose font color that matches the background color.
> a formatting rule has been created
THEN
> copy the cells in which you've created the new conditional formatting rules
> PASTE SPECIAL formatting only
to all of the other cells in the spreadsheet you want to have the same conditional formatting.
Malmo,
you have been quick to criticize Magness in the past, what's your opinion on his coaching principles and the training posted
Why would you ask some one who quickly criticizes someone to post his opinion? That is totally pointless.
Steve has done a great job with the Klein Oak kids such as Ryan Dohner, his younger brother Brad, and other guys such as the Jones brothers and Will Nation (currently at UT ran 14:26 as a freshman.) He led that team to the 2nd place finish at Texas 5A state meet last year in cross country. He knows his stuff, and clearly is rewarded for it by being Alberto Salazar's assistant coach.
runner39 wrote:
Malmo,
you have been quick to criticize Magness in the past, what's your opinion on his coaching principles and the training posted
I haven't been "quick" to criticize Magness at all. In fact, I watched his demise for years hoping that he would run as fast has he did in high school. He never did.
The training looks nothing out of the ordinary, in fact it looks a lot like my high school training. Heck it even looks a lot like my college training. If even high school kid trained like that there would be a lot more sub 4:10 milers.
I have no idea what his coaching principles are.
malmo wrote:
I have no idea what his coaching principles are.
So, would your coaching principles be better?
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malmo wrote:I have no idea what his coaching principles are.
So, would your coaching principles be better?
How would it be possible for Party A to know if his coaching principles would be better than Party B's coaching principles if Party A has no idea what Party B's coaching principles are?