Troll-police wrote:
Did you ask the same English-killer a very specific question of listing 3 athletes/training methods that are different/opposite of Lydiard since 1970s? Funny how quickly, for as much and as long as he babbles along, he disappeared after that question.... What do you think the chance of you getting any clear answer for this one?
Here goes te first one.
To satisfy your usual doubt let´s see one case of modern training.
I post something we might get back to the original track of this thread “Lydiard training seems ridiculously hard”.
Peter Snell. He needed 5 seasons, 5 years of training to be able to run the Lydiard classic 100miles block. In the process he struggled with stress fracture injury.
Exert from FAST SCIENCE: A HISTORY OF TRAINING THEORY AND METHODS FOR ELITE RUNNERS THROUGH 1975 by Nicholas David Bourne – 2008
Lydiard reaped significant success with his methods, forged out of many years of
trial and error. However, caution should be applied to the use of such high mileages,
particularly in the marathon stage of training. While a number athletes may be able to
reach the ideal one hundred miles per week many athletes may fall by the way side and
suffer set backs if they are not biomechanically predisposed to handle such mileage. (*)
Indeed, even Peter Snell, Lydiard’s most successful athlete, struggled at times with injury
and the inability to consistently achieve the desired one hundred miles (*). This is clearly
chronicled by Cordner Nelson, inaugural editor of Track and Field News, who noted that
in the fall of 1959, a year after beginning full scale training with Lydiard, Snell suffered a
stress fracture, a clear indication of excessive forces and the inability of the body to adapt
to stress. Nelson further notes that 1964 was the first time that Snell had been able to
endure Lydiard’s one-hundred mile schedule for a full ten weeks. Previously, the best
Snell could manage was a meager three weeks. (*)
(*) - Nelson, Track's Greatest Champions
Now, you have the opposite. Bernard Lagat. Coached by James Li
Is Lagat the most uninjured top runner ever?
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3938509&page=1Bernard Lagat
3:26.34,7:29,12:54
double world gold medalist in 2007 at 1500/5000
silver medalist in athens olympics at 1500 in 2004
silver at 5000m at berlin world champs in 2009
bronze at 1500m at berlin world champs in 2009
bronze at 1500 at sydney olympics in 2000
silver at 1500 at world's in 2001
silver at 1500 at world indoor in 2003
(didn't run world in 2003 because of false positive)
gold at 3000 at world indoor in 2004 and 2010
8 American records not including the 3:27, see below:
"The U.S. does allow dual citizenship and consequently races run by Lagat after May 7, 2004 could have been ratified as American records, since USATF rules only state that an athlete has to be a U.S. citizen competing in a sanctioned competition to be eligible to set a national record. However, at the 2005 USATF annual meeting, his 3:27.40 win in the 1500 meters, on August 6, 2004, in Zurich, was not ratified as an American record."
For those who can´t discuss about every training subject without quote Lydiard, this one should be the quote of the day.
“If I’ve been able to do one thing, it is to liberate myself from what is written in a book” – Bernard Lagat coach, James Li.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/sports/olympics/24lagat.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2