This guy in my town overdosed on bananas and he had a heart attack something to do with potassium and the heart.
This guy in my town overdosed on bananas and he had a heart attack something to do with potassium and the heart.
Fox fan wrote:
This guy in my town overdosed on bananas and he had a heart attack something to do with potassium and the heart.
I find it hard to believe this would happen just from eating bananas, but hyperkalemia does happen. In order to explain it I'd have to explain intra- and extracellular ion concentrations and the generation of action potentials, so I'll just say hyperkalemia can cause a lot of muscle problems. A guy died a few years ago from using a KCl salt substitute in place of regular table salt (NaCl). As long as you aren't ingesting massive amounts of potassium and your kidneys work fine, you shouldn't have to worry. If you are worried, I suppose you could just stay dehydrated for a few days as the decrease in blood volume would signal your kidneys to release renin, which in turn would cleave angiotensinogen produced in the liver to angiotensin I, which then would be converted to angiotensin II in the lungs, and would finally signal the zona glomerulosa of your adrenal cortex to synthesize and excrete the mineralcorticoid aldosterone (a steroid) which would then in turn cause the epidermal cells lining the distal convoluted tubule of the kidney to insert more Na+/K+ pumps into their cell membranes, thus secreting and consequently excreting more potassium. Of course, you could also take advice from some moron who thinks eating nothing but fruits and vegetables is the way to go as well.
I always remember this guy looking a little yellow, so maybe it was his liver? I saw pictures of him when he was younger and he always looked green but I never liked him he was bile! He also bruised easily ...
Actually i'm not the 2:28 marathoner, that's Michael Arnstein. Oh and I should mention that the guy is in his 30s and on a standard vegetarian diet throughout his 20s he couldn't run faster than 2:45, not for lack of trying. He thinks he can go a lot faster as well.
Can't complain about the African's diet as they eat very low fat, high carb which is the key. Kenya has just about the lowest diabetes rate despite having a high sugar consumption, hmmmm.
The Fruitarian wrote:
Can't complain about the African's diet as they eat very low fat, high carb which is the key. Kenya has just about the lowest diabetes rate despite having a high sugar consumption, hmmmm.
Yep, because the amount of fat in Kenyans' diet is the only variable worth considering.
Where do you idiots come from?
In the no wrote:
The Fruitarian wrote:Can't complain about the African's diet as they eat very low fat, high carb which is the key. Kenya has just about the lowest diabetes rate despite having a high sugar consumption, hmmmm.
Yep, because the amount of fat in Kenyans' diet is the only variable worth considering.
Where do you idiots come from?
In this case it's a very important variable, maybe you can explain the studies done on type-2 diabetic patients who were put on a low fat diet and 98% could do without insulin within a matter of weeks! You're right it's probably nothing though, go back to sleep.
The Fruitarian wrote:
Actually i'm not the 2:28 marathoner, that's Michael Arnstein. Oh and I should mention that the guy is in his 30s and on a standard vegetarian diet throughout his 20s he couldn't run faster than 2:45, not for lack of trying. He thinks he can go a lot faster as well.
Can't complain about the African's diet as they eat very low fat, high carb which is the key. Kenya has just about the lowest diabetes rate despite having a high sugar consumption, hmmmm.
Eskimos/Inuit/those crazy people who live in the Arctic didn't get diabetes until they started eating modern processed foods either, and they ate very high fat diets before then. Humans are pretty adaptable in the diets they can thrive on -- as long as it's real food, not processed, denatured crap. We can all agree that the standard American diet is no good. Some people have gotten way healthier going vegetarian or vegan, and some have gotten way healthier -- even from the same conditions -- adding lots of meat and animal fat. I don't have any reason to assume either category of people is filled with liars, so clearly different people are successful with different approaches.
I still don't find 30 bananas a day appetizing, or understand why someone would want to cripple their diet by restricting it to just fruits and vegetables.
Would you mind linking those studies? Not doubting you, just couldn't find them with a half-assed google scholar search and don't see why I should waste more time if you have the citations on hand.
Also, did the subjects of the study lose weight? Weight loss always leads to improved insulin sensitivity, so such studies might not necessarily prove an advantage over say, weight loss on the atkins diet. Like the previous poster said, there are lots of variables.
The Fruitarian wrote:
In the no wrote:Yep, because the amount of fat in Kenyans' diet is the only variable worth considering.
Where do you idiots come from?
In this case it's a very important variable, maybe you can explain the studies done on type-2 diabetic patients who were put on a low fat diet and 98% could do without insulin within a matter of weeks! You're right it's probably nothing though, go back to sleep.
You just can't stop making an ass of yourself, can you?
American Fernandez wrote:
The Fruitarian wrote:Kenya has just about the lowest diabetes rate despite having a high sugar consumption, hmmmm.
Eskimos/Inuit/those crazy people... ate very high fat diets before then.
I think I remember from my O-level (that's junior high school) Biology course 30 years ago that..
1. increased blood sugar causes you to produce insulin
2. high insulin causes fatty acids in the blood to be stored as fat.
This is the basis of the Montignac diet, which is the only diet not based on calorie restriction which ever made sense to me. High carbs when there is very little fat in your blood are fine; and high fat meals with minimal sugars/carbs tend to be fine. When you mix them - burgers, cakes, cookies, brownies etc etc - you create the perfect conditions to get fatter.
FWIW the diet suggested simply not mixing fats and high-GI carbs in the same meal, and leaving a good 4 hours in between. So you can eat an expensive restaurant meal if you skip the carbs.
It would be great if anyone more knowledgeable could tell me if this still applies or if more advanced fizzyology has superceded it..
Jackfruitman wrote:
Actually, he's a sub-2:30 marathoner who persists almost entirely off raw fruit alone (and some veggies). Just search for "The Fruitarian" and it's the first site to come up on Google.
So yes, I would say he does know what he's talking about.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I love this thread.
Okay, that is all.
citation needed wrote:
Would you mind linking those studies? Not doubting you, just couldn't find them with a half-assed google scholar search and don't see why I should waste more time if you have the citations on hand.
Also, did the subjects of the study lose weight? Weight loss always leads to improved insulin sensitivity, so such studies might not necessarily prove an advantage over say, weight loss on the atkins diet. Like the previous poster said, there are lots of variables.
It comes from 'The China study', a book by Dr T.Colin Campbell. He presents a large number of studies to show how a low fat plant based diet can prevent or reverse just about every western disease. This is something largely denied by the medical community and they try to cover it up, mainly because it would hurt their profits so much. May sound dark but I think it's true.
The abstract of the citation is here
http://agris.fao.org/agris-search/search/display.do?f=1988/US/US88102.xml;US874831288
couldn't actually open the file, it was only the abstract. I know of enough people that have reversed their diabetes with diet that I no longer doubt it though. Here's one guy who has managed his type-1 diabetes on a largely fruitarian diet
http://robbybarbaro.org/oh and here's some more anecdotal evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Bu6MJZbW0&feature=related
Laugh or ignore this information if you want but it's legit
Thanks, here's the google books link if anyone is curious.http://books.google.com/books?id=KgRR12F0RPAC&lpg=PA1&ots=d2NgWMfac2&lr&pg=PA151And a similar study by the same Dr. referenced in the book (this one is a RCT, the one in the book was not)http://www.ajcn.org/content/54/5/936.full.pdf+html
Compared with the LCLF diet, the HCHF diet reduced basal insulin requirements (P less than 0.025), increased carbohydrate disposed of per unit insulin (P less than 0.0008), and lowered total (P less than 0.0004) and high-density- lipoprotein cholesterol (P less than 0.0013). Glycemic control and other lipid fractions did not differ significantly.
Interesting that neither patient population was significantly overweight. So much for my weight loss theory. Good luck finding a group like that in today's diabetic population though.
The Fruitarian wrote:
This is something largely denied by the medical community and they try to cover it up, mainly because it would hurt their profits so much. May sound dark but I think it's true.
I do have to dispute the idea of an active "coverup". We learned about the link between fiber intake and blood sugar control in 1st year med school. Although it certainly doesn't get the same press all those expensive medications tend to get.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
What does your Doctor think of eating 30-50 bananas at a sitting for lunch?
He wonders how he escaped the zoo. My doctor wonders the same about me.
Here, I think, you need a help of a specific specialist and not a generalist doctor. You can check on https://usadoctors.org where is the closest one to you and take an appointment. Quite interesting service with a user-friendly interface. The good thing is that they have all the doctors in one database.
Here's an abstract of an article comparing postprandial glucos and insulin responses in diabetics after eating bananas (ripe and unripe) and white bread:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1395467
Conclusion was that bananas are better than white bread, unripe ones better than ripe ones because of their higher starch content.
There are a lot of misconceptions in some of these posts. It is possible to be in extremely good shape and have a terrible diet. It is also possible to be extremely fit and be a diabetic. Running a lot reduces the risk of developing diabetes, but the risk remains.
I think if more people on these boards didn't eat like anorexic girls we would all be in a much better place.
please don't speak badly of anorexic girls. they need to be loved just like anyone else.
as for the rest of what you said: yes.
cheers.
Donkey Kong wrote:
A Doctor told me that bananas are not so good food for you because of the HIGH glycemic index. does this mean that you shouldn't eat bananas on empty stomach? (e.g. for breakfast before you eat anything else because your blood sugar will surge which is not good for you and thus you may get type-2 diabetes?)
I always thought that any fruit from nature cant be harmful for you...
The science is now settled. If you disagree you are a banana causes diabetes denier.