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Fell Runner
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 5:21PM - in reply to The Verdict Is In Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I am not aware of any reasons put forward, are the various race directors? I'd be particularly interested in the reasons for results of fictitious races.
A DQ is a serious thing, I've not even had a query against me in over 500 races, to have more than one DQ is eye-opening, a DQ is a very different thing to a DNF.
What was the reason for apparently standing around at the start of a race with the race number covered up waiting until the rest of the field had gone?
http://kiplitton.blogspot.com/2011/10/deadwood-mickelson-trail-marathon-image.html
Are you seriously claiming that shoe changes are a normal thing in a marathon?
The Verdict Is In
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 5:59PM - in reply to Fell Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Your questions show a complete lack of understanding of even the most basic facts- it has been repeated many times here that Dr. Litton raises funds for his charity by the number of runners he passes, thus the need to start in the back of the pack.

Dr. Litton has never claimed to have run a race that is fictitious. Many have been too quick to make assumptions from unverified opinions.

More advice- when making accusations, (1) stick to factual verified information, and (2) stick to illegal or rule breaking activities, not oddities.
Gnillort
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 6:35PM - in reply to The Verdict Is In Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Crim Festival Of Races 2009 1 42 57 5:41 56:55

In the court of public opinion, nothing has to be proven. Imo, where there is smoke, there is fire. We all smell the smoke, and someone pulled the alarm. If the accusations behind this thread were completely baseless, then Dr. L. would have no trouble coming forward to put everyones minds(and this thread) to rest. Thus saving his reputation. If he cared about his standing in the community, as I, or almost anyone else on this forum does, this would've been over before it began.
The Verdict Is In wrote:

Dr. Litton has never claimed to have run a race that is fictitious. Many have been too quick to make assumptions from unverified opinions.

More advice- when making accusations, (1) stick to factual verified information, and (2) stick to illegal or rule breaking activities, not oddities.
Full of it dkdk
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 6:55PM - in reply to The Verdict Is In Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The Verdict Is In wrote:

From what has been discussed locally, those who accompanied Dr. Litton on his races (mainly his wife) have all said that that these issues were addressed long ago. They provided gear changes along the course. Some of the DQs were self initiated. There may have been oddities, but nothing improper. Additionally, these issues were put to rest after several reporters interviewed Dr. Litton and others involved.

If you expect to sway those that already know otherwise, you'll have to manufacture new more believable accusations- as I said, these same old ones have already been dismissed.


Which "same old ones" have been dismissed? I dont know of any that have been dismissed? What planet are you on?
Seinfeld Dry Cleaner
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 7:49PM - in reply to The Verdict Is In Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Not trying to sway anyone and could care less. God gave me a brain and I'm not a preschool toy Woody...aka beyond a reasonable doubt. You have the right to believe what you want and...well...good luck with that as it looks like Mama raised a fool or you are just plain ignorant. Gear changes along the course? Yeah I do that in all my marathons and I've seen 100's if not 1000's of people stopping along the way doing the same thing, all the while running 2:50 plus pace. I have a lot swamp land up in the Rockies, are you interested?
AlmostBQ
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 8:09PM - in reply to Muscle Head Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Muscle Head wrote:

KIp was burning up the treadmill again at PowerHouse this morning. He was on almost 2 F'n hours. I glanced at the console a couple times- 18 miles in just under 2 hours.

I've been wondering what I could say to this guy to stir things up. I gotta be honest, I wanted to hate this dude so badly (but I didn't want him to know). So I played nice guy & asked him a few questions. Turns out doc is actually a very friendly and humble dude. He asked me about my workouts- he offered to help me with my running & asked for a few tips on lifting (I pump iron much more than run). He said he was going to run the Boston Marathon and another 'tune up' race before that.

Its very hard to be hatin on this dude. Has anyone else who posts here actually met him? I wonder what your impression is? Is there any point to me continuing to post after I see him?




Isn't it funny that people just happen to post here right after just happening to bump into Kip Litton in person

I didnt know about Let's Run until someone at the running store mentioned it to me. Could it be one and the same person posting these "Kip Litton comeback" messages?
fideler
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 8:18PM - in reply to AlmostBQ Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
my opinion, yes, the same person.
Full of it dkdk
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 9:07PM - in reply to fideler Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Fortunately or Unfortunately, From this day forth, "kip" will be synonymous with cutting a course short.
Full of it dkdk
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 9:28PM - in reply to AlmostBQ Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
AlmostBQ wrote:

[quote]Muscle Head wrote:

KIp was burning up the treadmill again at PowerHouse this morning. He was on almost 2 F'n hours. I glanced at the console a couple times- 18 miles in just under 2 hours.

I've been wondering what I could say to this guy to stir things up. I gotta be honest, I wanted to hate this dude so badly (but I didn't want him to know). So I played nice guy & asked him a few questions. Turns out doc is actually a very friendly and humble dude. He asked me about my workouts- he offered to help me with my running & asked for a few tips on lifting (I pump iron much more than run). He said he was going to run the Boston Marathon and another 'tune up' race before that.

Its very hard to be hatin on this dude. Has anyone else who posts here actually met him? I wonder what your impression is? Is there any point to me continuing to post after I see him?



Isn't it funny that people just happen to post here right after just happening to bump into Kip Litton in person

I didnt know about Let's Run until someone at the running store mentioned it to me. Could it be one and the same person posting these "Kip Litton comeback" messages?[/quote]


Where was this running store located? I was in new York and heard about this kip Litton character
You're full of it, Kip
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 9:53PM - in reply to The Verdict Is In Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The Verdict Is In wrote:

Dr. Litton has never claimed to have run a race that is fictitious. Many have been too quick to make assumptions from unverified opinions.


Kip listed the West Wyoming Marathon on his website as one of his victories. This is just a small paragraph, though, in this very large story.

Go back and study this thread, and if you have any capacity for rational thought, you'll know there is no other conclusion that can be made other than that Kip is a serial cheater.
seemssilly
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 10:17PM - in reply to The Verdict Is In Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Thanks Kip - good to know you still chime in every now and again.

Anyone who has read a few pages of this and has ever run a race knows beyond a shadow of a doubt how guilty you are of cheating and making up races. Pathetic.

The Verdict Is In wrote:

Your questions show a complete lack of understanding of even the most basic facts- it has been repeated many times here that Dr. Litton raises funds for his charity by the number of runners he passes, thus the need to start in the back of the pack.

Dr. Litton has never claimed to have run a race that is fictitious. Many have been too quick to make assumptions from unverified opinions.

More advice- when making accusations, (1) stick to factual verified information, and (2) stick to illegal or rule breaking activities, not oddities.
Chris Matthews
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/21/2012 10:26PM - in reply to Ethical Reputation Sterling? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Ethical Reputation Sterling? wrote:

IN SUMMARY
Dr. David Kipling "Kip" Litton has been disqualified from numerous road races ranging from Montana to Delaware. Dr. Litton has not raced since this thread has been allowed to continue (early 2011). Dr. Litton's disqualifications include, among others:

Deadwood South Dakota Marathon
Missoula Marathon
Delaware Marathon

Dr. Litton won a marathon that doesn't exist and whose race website appears to have been hosted on the same place as his dental practice URL: the West Wyoming Marathon (westwyomingmarathon.com). Results of West Wyoming Marathon were confirmed false by marathonguide.com but still remain at athlinks.com. Names besides Kip Litton appear to all be fake.

Dr. Litton's M.O. seems to be as follows. He waits 1-4 minutes after the starting gun goes off to cross the starting line. He appears in the results in the top10% of all race finishers, often at the top of the Masters age category. Race photographers' websites only show him finishing close to or at the finish line, not at the other landmarks where the other participants appear. Upon review of race photographers' lost & found photos, Dr. Litton is often spotted with his race bib covered, sometimes wearing a different hat or a different pair of shoes from what he's wearing in his finishing photos.

Dr. Kip Litton was disqualified from numerous marathons in 2010, last running the Charlotte ThunderRoad Marathon in Dec 2010, a race at which he was not DQ at but fellow participants accused him of cheating at. Since this discussion was allowed to continue on letsrun.com, Dr. Litton hasn't raced. Dr. Litton is currently registered at the 2012 Boston Marathon.




seems factual to me, no?
AlmostBQ
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/22/2012 12:25AM - in reply to Full of it dkdk Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Full of it dkdk wrote:
Where was this running store located? I was in new York and heard about this kip Litton character


It is located far from New York City.
Fell Runner
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/22/2012 5:50AM - in reply to The Verdict Is In Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The Verdict Is In wrote:

Your questions show a complete lack of understanding of even the most basic facts- it has been repeated many times here that Dr. Litton raises funds for his charity by the number of runners he passes, thus the need to start in the back of the pack.


Well that's a new twist, I presume the number passed is equally valid if they are being passed in a car or in non-existent races, the results of which can be seen here
http://kiplitton.blogspot.com/2011/01/pine-hills-5k-120410-fictitious-event.html
Fell Runner
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/22/2012 6:34AM - in reply to Fell Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Oh and with my lack of understanding, could this be improved with an explanation for the attempt to not be recognised at the start? Does this raise more money in some way?
Trollist
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/22/2012 6:50AM - in reply to Fell Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Fell Runner wrote:

Oh and with my lack of understanding, could this be improved with an explanation for the attempt to not be recognised at the start? Does this raise more money in some way?


You're assuming that's what he was doing. You have no way of knowing what Kip Litton was thinking about at the start of his races. Most likely he was thinking about how he was positively impacting the lives of all those poor children you ignore.
Fell Runner
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/22/2012 7:01AM - in reply to Trollist Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Trollist wrote:
You're assuming that's what he was doing. You have no way of knowing what Kip Litton was thinking about at the start of his races. Most likely he was thinking about how he was positively impacting the lives of all those poor children you ignore.

Thanks for the insight Trollist, what an apropriate name. I am restricting my remarks to the races as this is a running forum. I have raised a money myself in every Marathon I have taken part in but that is irrelevant to a discussion about racing within the rules.
You still fail to explain why someone would cover up a race number and attempt to be incognito. In many races I have taken part in it is specifically stated that not displaying the number correctly at all times can result in disqualification.
rooftop view
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/22/2012 7:14AM - in reply to Fell Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Yes, and in some miraculous way, you pass 100's, if not 1000's of runners and end up stopping along the way, while not being recognized by one runner, ever!, for a wardrobe change. Yes, this is what we all do.

You passed people running unbelievable negative splits, while rarely hitting a mat or being in photos at certain check points and not one person that you allegedly passed remembers you blowing by them. Anyone running that fast for the 2nd half of a marathon would have dozens and dozens of people remember you. Of course, not one runner or spectator ever has and if "one" did, the lack of photographic evidence at certain check points would refute that.

People who raise money for charities are just the opposite and would want to record their progress and share it in this day and age of information technology, NOT hide it!!!!

If a runner stopped for a "wardrobe" change, someone would be there with camera asking how's it going, keep it up, get back in the race and pass a bunch of runners, etc...........................................

Your passing more runner theory is ridiculous. As mentioned, if you started in the back and passed that many runners and you legitimately ended up with a sub 3 hour time, how would you prove it? How do you get the money and who do you tell? How do you explain never being seen by anyone and not being in photos that EVERYBODY else is in?

Rational thinking people get it and most don't care. The irony is the few who have shown their lack of intellect combined with moronic genes to not be able to use simple reasoning.

Thank you and enjoy the show.
dasdasasd
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/22/2012 7:29AM - in reply to seemssilly Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The Verdict Is In wrote:
Your questions show a complete lack of understanding of even the most basic facts-


seemssilly wrote:
Thanks Kip - good to know you still chime in every now and again.


Did Mr. Litton finally find a decent PR-damage-control-guy? Obviously not on that agre$$ive level as Mr. Lance Armstrong's counsel, but certainly professional indeed.
Unfortunately not a runner himself.

I'd focus on the reputation in the general internet though. Here in this board Mr. Litton is certainly burned.
No non-runner damagecontroller can turn this thread around. I hope for him he is paid by the hours! *g* He'll love us soon!
dasdasasd
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/22/2012 7:40AM - in reply to dasdasasd Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Here are some random thoughts, what do you guys think about it:
- runners do not get overly excited about charity-running, as we attribute a lot of negative influence on our sport to the unfortunate mix of charity and running-events.
- no one who has not a fair bit of experience with crowded starts can understand our scepticism
- age-group ranks are fiercly battled about, something noncompetitive athletes cannot understand. Doubts about age-group awards bring out the tigers in us.
- "street cred" and the general achiever-attitude amongst runners go hand in hand. Running is highly measurable, and only a special breed of sportman excel in that comparable-competitive environment. Even a single DQ hits a runner's credibilty HARD. Outsiders will not get it. There was no reportedly high-profile runner from Mr. Litton's area chiming in in his favour.
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