If Dathan had really done a 20 mile @ 4'51 pace, he would have run NY in 2'07. I'm so tired of all Alberto's Bull shit and cockness.
If Dathan had really done a 20 mile @ 4'51 pace, he would have run NY in 2'07. I'm so tired of all Alberto's Bull shit and cockness.
Here here. 2:12 at NYC is about what we'd expect from Dathan. Everything from Salazar is sensationalism. Ritz has spent more time hurt than anything else.
Wallet Inspector wrote:
Everything from Salazar is sensationalism.
And results of course. There are those. Nobody has produced better in American distance running over the past few years, Dathan's bad day aside.
Wallet Inspector wrote:
Here here. 2:12 at NYC is about what we'd expect from Dathan. Everything from Salazar is sensationalism. Ritz has spent more time hurt than anything else.
Hear, hear.*
old elite UK wrote:
If Dathan had really done a 20 mile @ 4'51 pace, he would have run NY in 2'07. I'm so tired of all Alberto's Bull shit and cockness.
Maybe if they had gotten the cryosauna to New York one day earlier, Ritz could've run a little faster.
prize money wrote:
Nobody has produced better in American distance running over the past few years, Dathan's bad day aside.
You most certainly are not talking about the marathon?
old elite UK wrote:
If Dathan had really done a 20 mile @ 4'51 pace, he would have run NY in 2'07. I'm so tired of all Alberto's Bull shit and cockness.
If he really ran that fast in a "tempo", there is where he left his race. Even someone at his level could not consider that pace a "tempo" run further than 10 miles.
thumbs up
prize money wrote:
And results of course. There are those. Nobody has produced better in American distance running over the past few years, Dathan's bad day aside.
Ever hear of this one guy named Jerry Schumacher?
It is one thing to go out and run an even paced tempo run, probably on a course flatter than the marathon course. It is quite another have the pace going back and forth and someone injecting a 4:30 mile deep into the race while hitting some solid hills. Dathan is hungry, and I doubt this sits well with him or Alberto, something tells me this sub 13 guy and his coach will have the last laugh.
Who has produced under Salazar? Kara Goucher is one I can think of, but she is finished for the meantime. He has big talents in Rupp and Ritz but neither has lived up to the hype. You can't fully credit Salazar for Ritz's 5k and Half because most of the training he did for those was under Hudson.
Salazar gets the cream of the crop which is why his athletes are pretty succesful. His training is nothing special, in fact he probably tinkers too much. Had Ritz worked on building his volume rather than changing his stride he probably would have stayed healthy and had a shot at the podium. Instead he had a bunch of injuries and ran another sub par marathon.
What the hell does Salazar think would happen when you alter the stride of an injury prone runner?
yoooooo wrote:
Dathan is hungry, and I doubt this sits well with him or Alberto, something tells me this sub 13 guy and his coach will have the last laugh.
he spent his base for this injured. you are right, hes not done.
prize money wrote:
Wallet Inspector wrote:Everything from Salazar is sensationalism.
And results of course. There are those. Nobody has produced better in American distance running over the past few years, Dathan's bad day aside.
What results are these that are better than everyone else's? Even if you give him Dathans 12:56, which IMHO he shouldn't get more than half of the coaching credit for, that was bettered by Solinky's effort, twice. He has been consistently bettered in the marathon, even when given the countries best talent to work with.
I'm not saying he hasn't had results, because that would be wrong. Galen has had some great runs, and so did Kara, Adam had a good season with him before he was spent completely. But overall his results have been inconsistent at best, and he has failed more often than he has succeeded.
2:12 and 8th at NYC really isn't a bad result. Ritz is obviously a great runner and maybe it just wasn't his day.
The thing that bothered me about Ritz and Salazar was the pre race hype. You don't hear many of the international runners talking up their workouts before the race. Sure, some of Ritz' workouts sound impressive, but nobody was actually there to verify them, and they don't matter anyway. Also, I don't like to hear about all the pampering and drama. Flying to the coasts for tempo runs, cryosaunas, entering/dropping out of the Denver half...it's all a bit dramatic and self-absorbed, no? It seems very silly when compared against many of the east African training budgets.
Why not train under the radar, show up, and get the job done...and THEN talk?
i'm also tired of the american records, olympians, world champ medallists, and PRs
Flagstaffer that likes Greg wrote:
prize money wrote:Nobody has produced better in American distance running over the past few years, Dathan's bad day aside.
You most certainly are not talking about the marathon?
I most certainly do not give a shit about the marathon.
eojtlc wrote:
prize money wrote:And results of course. There are those. Nobody has produced better in American distance running over the past few years, Dathan's bad day aside.
What results are these that are better than everyone else's? Even if you give him Dathans 12:56, which IMHO he shouldn't get more than half of the coaching credit for, that was bettered by Solinky's effort, twice. He has been consistently bettered in the marathon, even when given the countries best talent to work with.
I'm not saying he hasn't had results, because that would be wrong. Galen has had some great runs, and so did Kara, Adam had a good season with him before he was spent completely. But overall his results have been inconsistent at best, and he has failed more often than he has succeeded.
Please tell us what coach has produced better distance running results than Salazar over the past few years.
yoooooo wrote:
...It is quite another have the pace going back and forth and someone injecting a 4:30 mile deep into the race while hitting some solid hills...
It's called racing, something Dathan rarely does.
Marathon and training pace run are a totally different things!
Dathan might have run 4.51 mile for 20 miles under no pressure at all(That means no surging and other tactics)!
When it comes to a Marathon major, the surging comes to play!
Some miles are run deep under 4.51 while others might be a little comfy! Those who can cope with such changes prevail!
So what Salazaar need to do, is to train his guys to endure surges.
This can be easily done by using different guys at different miles to mess up with the continuous 4.51 mile pace.
Kenyans do a lot of surging during their training and we all know what fartlek means!
So with all said a 4.51 mile for 20 miles is not yet good enough for a full studded marathon major!
Some guys, high level even like Dathan, cannot ever make a successful transfer to the marathon. It is often a fuel economy problem....not the other things.
You can only 'teach' fuel economy (through training in depleted conditions, for example) to a certain limit. The rest of the limits will be down to genetics. That is why you have 13.30 guys (5000) running as fast, if not faster, than Dathan in the marathon. Those rules are even more flagrant for women runners, where Joannie Benoit, who had very modest track bests (15.30/32.00) ran 2.21.....for Chicago marathon. She was operating much closer to her native speed in that marathon....around one minute slower per 10k section.....which would be like Dathan running a marathon at 28 minutes 10,000 pace.....women, with their increased fatty tissue have an advantage for that....as well as in long distance swimming like Channel swimming, where the top woment often place very close to the top men.
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