Stanford basically gave the rest of the U.S. the middle finger on Saturday with that performance. Comments?
Stanford basically gave the rest of the U.S. the middle finger on Saturday with that performance. Comments?
Stanford is just better than everyone else. You got a problem with that?
I'm saying Stanford is better than everyone else. Are you a retard?
Big Boy wrote:
I'm saying Stanford is better than everyone else. Are you a retard?
It's obvious that Stanford is better than everyone else. What? You don't get it?
If German raced today, minus about 160 points from Oklahoma's 242, which would put them at about 80 points, only 10 behind Stanford.
Stanford is going to get crushed once the big teams have their big guns out.
Mark my words.
-JN
Only concern, Stanford has a real problem peaking at the right time as a team. What happened Saturday doesn't mean a thing come November.
DIAMONDINTHEROUGH wrote:
If German raced today, minus about 160 points from Oklahoma's 242, which would put them at about 80 points, only 10 behind Stanford.
Stanford is going to get crushed once the big teams have their big guns out.
Mark my words.
-JN
Ummm German runs for Oklahoma State. Hard to see how him performing well at Pre-Nats would have helped Oklahoma that much.
Stanford is just better than everyone else. How come you folks don't get it?
Big Boy wrote:
Stanford basically gave the rest of the U.S. the middle finger on Saturday with that performance. Comments?
I don't understand why a sound beating is giving everyone the finger. They ran really well, but I saw no sign of disrespecting their competition.
Mabe because some people said the same thing last year and that's not how it turned out in the end. Right now they're really good in October with a chance to do something big when it counts and that's about it.
I think it's in poor judgment for the site to feature this on their home page as the Quote of the Day.
By winning and bunching up as they did, did Stanford somehow disrespect the other teams? Because giving someone the finger is a show of disrespect -- simply winning isn't.
I will assume that either immaturity or lack of thought led the OP to equate winning with showing the rest of the U.S. the finger.
Lets get serious here, that looked like a damn threshold run for those guys. They went out in 14:45 for 5k and closed with and 8:31,8:32 3k all together, and with what looked like within themselves. None the less, one of them being the defending champ, he clearly pulled his team to another level. Look at Sam Chelanga's race, he went out slightly conservative by his standards, (A 2 time second place finisher mind you) and still went through the 5k in 14:25, (20seconds up on the 3 stanford guys) and finished with an 8:54 3k. Now it's early in the season and clearly it was only a tester of what will be shown come november, but make no mistake, Stanford is ready.
Impressive Stanford run, no doubt, but 2009 isn't enough of a distant memory to let us forget that in a similar situation the Cardinal team "bombed" big-time as Chris Derrick put it.
Not raining or hating on the Stanford parade but given that Oregon, Wisconsin, OSU, Arkansas, and Indiana wern't present, I'm not sure what beating up on Iona, Princeton, and NAU tells us.
Some thoughts:
OSU: dangerous, powerful, but like last year no depth. No strong 5th much less a 6th and 7th to pickup the pieces when somebody has a bad race. They left the door open to Oregon last year. If they do that in 2010 Oregon, Stanford and (maybe) Wisco will be walking up to the podium. Not hating on German but your "plan" can't hang on a gimpy stud miler.
Oregon: strong runners, big pack, Vin, Nike, what can you say? Can't be considered the fav's over a 10K cross country race but are better than last year and will be all over OSU if they pull that weak s**t again at NCAAs.
Wisconsin: held their own, without their top gun, on the Duck's home training course. Don't see much past their #5 runner but these guys are rounding into their own.
Stanford: despite what I wrote, I'm optimistic, you know those guys are still reeling from last year. They should have been #2 or #3...but blew it. Nobody should consider them favorites this year no matter what happens at Pac-10s and Regionals but underdog + something to prove + redemption=dangerous.
I'm not sure what to make of the Pre-NCAA White race....hat tip to Martin Smith's Oklahoma (you know he's dreaming of the day he can put the knife to Oregon/Vin/Nike). Are they contenders now? or were Colorado and Portland not that good, or both?
By the way, nice run by Trevor Dunbar, steady improvements by a blue collar guy. Top 25 this year? I still watch the 2M in Alaska when I feel lazy.
the only thing this indicates is Stanford is ready NOW.Let's see in weeks to come.
Ok State actually looks as or more ready with 4 ahead of Ulrey and within 10 secs of each other with number 7 at 30:04
I would say of the three Derrick and Heath did look very comfortable and Riley like he was running fairly hard.
Derrick and Heath clearly could have gone 23:10 or below, that is for sure, not sure what the CR is, I think those were #s 9-10-11 all time, and that course is run a bit by good folks lately.
IMO: This weekend made NCAAs more interesting, and didn't really stamp any team as the favs come November.
OSU looked crazy tough with their top 4, although I'd like to see a video to better guage how comfortable they looked at the finish. Without much depth, though, this team is one injury/poor performance away from slipping way down the line.
Stanford's top 3 should all be top 10, maybe top 15, although Riley is new to the front-pack scene, so it will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure and pace of a championship level race. I will say that their strategy this year is much more sound than last year: top 3 work together, next 4 work together. The question is: can their 4 and 5 keep the pack time low...
Oregon didn't really impress me this weekend, although October races mean little up in Eugene. Thier top 2 are obviously dangerous, although Puskedra's strategy in the 10K last track season makes me question how he'll handle nationals. Their pack time looked good, but I think that was only because their top 2 weren't pushing toward the end. Either way, I count on them being up in the mix in 5 weeks.
After watching them race, I think Wisco will be a top contender in November. Put their number one in that race, and with a bit more juice in the legs of their next 4 and they're running neck and neck with Oregon.
NAU--who know's how they'll perform once their 1 and 2 are leading instead of Estrada. He went for it and paid the price, but if he's able to key of their top guys he should run better. I don't know about their depth, though, and that might be the difference in November.
Disclaimer: I'm a Cardinal fan.
stanford & NAU will choke when it counts, just like last year. Oregon and OK State will duke it out for the title. Oregon wins
dingle wrote:
Big Boy wrote:Stanford basically gave the rest of the U.S. the middle finger on Saturday with that performance. Comments?
I don't understand why a sound beating is giving everyone the finger. They ran really well, but I saw no sign of disrespecting their competition.
ughhhh, that wasn't the point....
SMacL wrote:
I think it's in poor judgment for the site to feature this on their home page as the Quote of the Day.
By winning and bunching up as they did, did Stanford somehow disrespect the other teams? Because giving someone the finger is a show of disrespect -- simply winning isn't.
I will assume that either immaturity or lack of thought led the OP to equate winning with showing the rest of the U.S. the finger.
Dude, this was positive quote. It wasn't about disrespect. It was about respect. They're doing great and that's sick. (No, not as in flu like symptoms... or do you also not understand that?)
Why are they giving the middle finger to the rest of the U.S.? I bet they're not that angry.
Proud, happy, siked, pumped, probably.
okkkay wrote:
dingle wrote:I don't understand why a sound beating is giving everyone the finger. They ran really well, but I saw no sign of disrespecting their competition.
ughhhh, that wasn't the point....
He knows that wasn't the point. The point he was trying to make is that it sounds like the Stanford guys are a bunch of douchebags because of the QOD. He could have worded it differently and still gotten his point across.
Chris Derrick still posts on tracktalk, why don't you go see how he feels about it.
Right now stanford is the best team in the country on paper at 8k thats all it means. Prenats has historicly been a good predictor for nationals but you just never know till you run the race.